标题: 看到即做到-the seeing is the doing [打印本页] 作者: Sue 时间: 2009-12-28 12:59 标题: 看到即做到-the seeing is the doing
A: And that's why in one of the very early conversations we had I take it, you said that the start is the end.
安：那就是为什么在我们很早以前的一个对话里，你说，开始即结束。
K: Yes. The beginning is the end .
克：是的。开始即结束。
A: The beginning is the end.
安：开始即结束。
K: The first step is the last step.
克：第一步就是最后一步。
A: The first step is the last step. Quite. What I've been thinking about all through our conversations so far is, what is involved in - the word involved I don't like - what must one do - well that's no good either - There is something. We are speaking about an act that is a radical end to all this nonsense that's been going on which is terrifyingly destructive nonsense.
安：第一步就是最后一步。对。在我们的谈话里我到现在一直在想的是，其中涉及的是----涉及这个词我不喜欢----一个人必须做的是-哦这个词也不好----其中有样东西。我们说的是一种行动，一下子彻底结束所有这些愚蠢的事情，这些一直在发生着的有着可怕的破坏力的愚蠢。
K: I know, sir.
克：我知道，先生。
A: There is the doing of something.
安：是做了某件事。
K: That is the seeing of all this.
克：那就是看清所有这一切。
A: And you have said, the seeing is the doing, is the act.
安：你说过，看到即做到，这就是行动。
K: As I see danger, I act. I see the danger of the continuity of thought in terms of pleasure, I see the danger of it, therefore end it instantly. If I don't see the danger I carry on. If I don't see the danger of nationality, I'm taking that as a very simple example, I carry on, murdering, dividing, seeking my own safety; but if I see the danger it is finished.
克：当我看见危险，我行动。我看清思想以欢愉的形式继续下去的危险，我看到它的危险，就马上结束它。如果我没看清其中的危险，我会继续下去。如果我没看清民族主义的危险，我拿它举个很简单的例子，我就继续下去，谋杀，分裂，寻求我自己的安全；但是如果我看清了它的危险，它就结束了。
摘自：SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA 25TH FEBRUARY 1974 12TH CONVERSATION WITH DR. ALLAN W. ANDERSON 'LOVE AND PLEASURE'作者: Sue 时间: 2009-12-28 13:00
K: So now, is there an action which is not tied to the past as time or to the future or to a formula, or to a belief or to an idea, but action? The seeing is the doing. ...This is what we do in the western world, the eastern world, all over the world, acting according to a formula, idea, belief, a concept, a conclusion, a decision; and never the seeing and the doing.
克：那么，是否有一种行动，与作为时间的过去、未来，模式，信念，想法完全无关，而只是行动？看清即行动。...这就是我们在西方世界、东方世界，全世界做着的事情，根据模式、想法、信念、概念、结论、决定来行动，这永远不是看清即行动。
出处：SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA 22ND FEBRUARY 1974 9TH CONVERSATION WITH DR. ALLAN W. ANDERSON 'INWARD OR TRUE BEAUTY'作者: Sue 时间: 2009-12-28 13:00
K: ...If I see something clearly, the action is immediate. ...When you see something as poison you won't take it again. ...When you see danger you never go near it again.
克：...如果我看清了某件事，就会立刻有行动。...当你把某个东西视为毒药，你就不会再吃了。...当你看到危险，你就再也不会靠近。
摘自SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA 19TH FEBRUARY 1974 3RD CONVERSATION WITH DR. ALLAN W. ANDERSON 'RESPONSIBILITY'作者: 吉欢 时间: 2010-3-12 22:37
Krishnamurti: The very simplicity of that statement, " `what is' is the most sacred", leads to great misunderstanding, because we don't see the truth of it. If you see that what is is sacred, you do not murder, you do not make war, you do not hope, you do not exploit. Having done these things you cannot claim immunity from a truth which you have violated. The white man who says to the black rioter, "What is is sacred, do not interfere, do not burn", has not seen, for if he had, the Negro would be sacred to him, and there would be no need to burn. So if each one of us sees this truth there must be change. This seeing of the truth is change.
Krishnamurti: Therefore there is no "me" who is the description in the seeing of this fact. In the seeing of any fact there is no "me". There is either the "me" or the seeing, there can't be both. "Me" is non-seeing. The "me" cannot see, cannot be aware.
Krishnaji: From there you say, is it possible to convey to others this quality of urgency, this quality of intensity, and action which takes place now?
Swamiji: ...really now...
Krishnaji: Yes, not tomorrow or yesterday.
Swamiji: Action, which means observation at the same level.
Krishnaji: And is always functioning - seeing and acting, seeing, acting, seeing, acting.
Swamiji: Yes.
Krishnaji: How is this to take place? First of all, Sir, most people, as we said yesterday, are not interested in all this. They play with it. There are very, very few really serious people. Ninety five per cent say, "Well, if you are entertaining it's all right, but if you are not, you're not welcome" - entertainment, according to their idea of entertainment. Then what will you do? Knowing there are only very, very few people in the world who are really desperately serious, what will you do? You talk to them, and you talk to the people who want to be entertained. But you don't care
whether they listen to you or don't listen.
智慧的觉醒 讨论《奥义书》中的四条“mahawakyas”作者: Sue 时间: 2010-8-13 14:48
We never see, or actually hear, what another is saying; we are either emotional, sentimental or very intellectual - which, obviously prevents us from actually seeing the colour, the beauty of the light, the trees, the birds, and from listening to those crows; we never are in direct relationship with any of this. And I doubt very much if we are in relationship with anything, even with our own ideas, thoughts, motives, impressions; there is always the image which is observing, even when we observe ourselves.
So it is very important to understand that the act of seeing is the only truth; there is nothing else. If I know how to see a tree, or a bird, or a lovely face, or the smile of a child - there it is, I don't have to do anything more. But that seeing of the bird, of the leaf, listening to the noise of birds, becomes almost impossible because of the image that one has built, not only about nature but also about others. And these images actually prevent us from seeing and feeling; feeling being entirely different from sentimentality and emotion.
智慧的觉醒 第五章
马德拉斯的三次演讲
看的艺术作者: Sue 时间: 2010-8-13 14:51
So what one has to do is to see. You cannot see, if you are not sensitive, and you are not sensitive if you have an image between you and the thing seen. Do you understand? So seeing is the act of love. You know what makes the total mind sensitive? - only love. You can learn a technique and yet love; but if you have technique and no love you are going to destroy the world. Do watch it in yourselves, Sirs, do go into it in your own minds and hearts and you will see it for yourselves. Seeing, observing, listening, these are the greatest acts, because you cannot see if you are looking out from that little corner, you cannot see what is happening in the world, the despair, the anxiety, the aching loneliness, the tears of the mothers, wives, lovers, of those people who have been killed. But you have to see all this, not emotionally, nor sentimentally, not saying, "Well! I am against war" or, "I am for war", as that sentimentality and emotionalism are the most destructive things - they avoid facts and so avoid what is. So, the seeing is all important. The seeing is the understanding; you cannot understand through the mind, through the intellect, or understand through a fragment. There is understanding only when the mind is completely quiet, which means when there is no image.
