If one may remind you again...
如果可以的话，请允许我再一次的提醒大家...
...this is not a lecture.
...这里进行的并非一场讲座
Lectures are meant to convey...
讲座意味着想要去传达...
...or give instructions, information and guidance.
...或者是提供教导，讯息再或给予指引。
So this is not a lecture...
所以这并非一场讲座...
...but we are going to take a journey together...
...而是，我们将要共同走上一段旅程...
...into an extensive field of the psyche...
...一段通往我们广阔心智领域的旅程...
...in the psychological realm...
...在心理学领域当中...
...though there have been a great many descriptions...
...尽管已经存在大量的各式描述...
...investigations up to a certain point...
...以及各种的调查研究，但这些都只是进行到某种程度而已...
...but in these talks, if one may remind you...
...但是在我们的谈话中，请允许我提醒您大家...
...we are going together as two friends to take a long journey...
...我们将要象两个朋友一样，共同完成这段漫长的旅程...
...into the area of the whole psychological states...
...进入整个心理状态的领域当中...
...if we have time and if we can go to the very end of it...
...如果我们能够有时间，并且能够走到这段旅程的终点...
...not stop in the middle of something...
...而没有在中途因为什么事情而停下来...
...which you may not like or dislike...
...可能有些人愿意如此，有些人不愿意...
...one must take the journey to the very end of things.
...我们必需把这段旅程走到它的最终点。
We must also see...
我们也必须了解...
...that thought has done the most extraordinary things in the world...
...思想在这个世界中创造了最不同凡响的各种事物...
...technological world...
...在科技的领域里...
...from the neutron bombs, missiles, the computers...
...思想创造了中子弹，导弹和计算机...
...and the whole area of communication...
...还包括通信领域的种种创造...
...rapid travel and so on.
...还有快速的旅行成为可能等等。
Thought has been responsible for all that.
思想是那一切的缔造者。
Also great surgery, medicine...
思想还创造了卓越的外科手术，医疗...
...and health...
...以及健康...
...if that is possible - and so on.
...如果可能的话，还有其它的种种。
But also thought has brought about great wars...
但是，思想也带来了大规模的战争...
...in the last perhaps hundred years...
...在过去了的大概百年之间...
...we have had two terrible wars...
...我们曾经有过两次可怕的战争...
...which is also the result of thought...
...它们也是人类思想的结果...
...because thought has divided humanity...
...因为思想已经将人类分裂开来...
...geographically and nationally.
...在地理的意义上和国家的意义上。
And also thought has divided humanity...
并且思想也将世界上的人类分裂为...
...in the world as Christians...
...基督徒...
...Buddhists, Hindus and Moslems.
...佛教徒，印度教教徒和伊斯兰教教徒。
And as we were saying: where there is division...
并且就象我们曾经在讲的：哪里有分裂...
...as American and Russian...
...就象分为美国人和俄国人...
...European, and South Africans, and so on...
...欧洲人和南非人，等等...
...there must be conflict, there must be war...
...哪里就会有冲突，哪里就必然有战争...
...people are killing by the thousands...
...大批的人被杀害了...
...killing has been going on...
...这样的杀戮从未停止过...
...for the last six thousand historical years...
...在过去的六千年中它一直继续着...
...practically every year there is a war.
...事实上，每一年都有战争。
And man during all these forty, fifty thousand years...
并且人类在这四万到五万年之间...
...this long duration of evolution...
...在这漫长的进化过程当中...
...has not stopped killing each other...
...从未停止过彼此的杀戮...
...or destroying nature, more especially now.
...再或者就是破坏大自然，这一点在如今尤为突出。
Thought has not created nature...
人类的思想从未创造出大自然...
...the tiger, the wolf...
...或创造出老虎，创造出狼...
...and the marvellous trees and flowers.
...以及那些绝美的树木和花朵。
But thought has created...
但是，人类的思想创造出了...
...division between man and woman.
...男人与女人之间的分裂。
Though biologically they are different...
虽然生物学角度上他们是不同的...
...thought in their relationship...
...但是思想却在男女的关系之中...
...has brought about great conflict...
...带来了巨大的冲突...
...misunderstanding, quarrels...
...误解，争吵...
...disputes, antagonism, hatred.
...抗拒，对立和仇恨。
So thought has bred conflict...
所以思想创造并且滋养了冲突...
...not only externally, outwardly, in the world...
...不但是外部的，表面的，在我们的外部世界当中...
...but also inwardly in the whole psychological world...
...同时也在我们整个内在的心理世界当中制造了冲突...
...which is far more important to understand than the reorganisation...
...后者要比理解社会的外部结构的重组...
...of outward structure of society.
...来的重要的多。
Society is what we have made of it.
社会就是由我们构成的。
With our greed, with our ambitions, corruption...
它是由我们的贪婪，我们的野心，腐败...
...competition and all the rest of it.
...竞争和相似的所有一切构成的。
So we have made the society which is disintegrating...
所以我们创造了这个社会，它是支离破碎的...
...becoming dangerous as we are, as human beings...
...它变得和我们一样的危险，象人类一样...
...are degenerating and becoming dangerous...
...退化着，并且变得危险...
...killing, kidnapping, terrorising.
...杀戮，绑架，恐怖活动。
We went into this yesterday...
昨天我们曾经谈到这一点...
...and we said also that thought...
...并且我们也说过思想...
...thinking has been responsible for the religious divisions...
...思想要为宗教信仰的分裂负责...
...as Christians with all the subdivisions...
...正如基督教徒们和他们的所有的分支们...
...thought has been responsible for the things...
...是人类的思想造成了这些分裂...
...in all the temples, churches and mosques.
...我们有着各种各样的寺庙，教堂和清真寺。
Thought is the result of memory...
人类的思想是记忆的结果...
...if we had no memory there would be no thinking.
...假如我们没有记忆，就不会存在思想。
Memory is based on knowledge and experience.
记忆是基于知识和经验的。
There is no complete experience about anything...
而人类关于所有事物的经验从来都不是完全的...
...there is always the more...
...永远都还有更多的知识和经验...
...and where there is more there is measurement...
...并且只要有更多的存在，就存在着衡量...
...and measurement is never complete, whole.
...而衡量，永远不会是完整的和圆满的。
So knowledge is limited...
所以知识是局限的...
...now and always in the future...
...在现在和未来也是如此...
...you can add to it, expand it...
...你可以添加，可以扩充...
...but that very expansion is limited...
...但是所有的扩充都是有局限性的...
...so thought is limited.
...所以思想就是有局限的。
And being limited...
并且这种局限性...
...as selfishness, egocentric activity is limited...
...譬如自私的行动和自我中心的行动也都是局限的...
...so thought, whatever it does...
...所以思想，无论它产生了什么样的行动...
...must inevitably create conflict...
...无可避免的都会制造出冲突...
...because anything that is limited, any concept...
...因为任何局限的事物，任何概念...
...whether religious or ideological...
...无论是宗教意义上的还是意识形态上的...
...any ideal will always be limited...
...任何想法总会是局限的...
...and therefore it must breed extraordinary conflict...
...因此也必然会滋生出巨大的冲突...
...between human beings.
...人与人之间的冲突。
We were talking about that yesterday and...
我们昨天也讨论到这一点，并且...
...we must go on...
...我们必须要继续...
...taking the journey together as two friends...
...作为两个朋友，一起继续这段旅程...
...who are concerned with the way of life...
...每一个人都关注着生命的方式...
...to find out for themselves...
...让我们自己来查明真相...
...without any gurus, authority and all that rubbish...
...不需要任何的上师，权威和类似的种种垃圾...
...find out for themselves...
...让我们靠自己来查明真相...
...a way of life which is an art...
...发现这样的生活方式，生活是一种艺术...
...an art that will bring about in human beings...
...这样的艺术会为人类带来...
...a great deal of quietude...
...无限的宁静...
...affection and an art of life.
...充沛的爱和生活的艺术。
These two friends, you and the speaker...
这两位朋友，你和讲话者...
...are taking a long extensive journey together.
...正在共同经历一场深广的旅程。
Together. Please bear this in mind all the time.
我们正在共同经历，请你一定要将这一点时刻记在心中。
He is not speaking for his own pleasure...
讲话者并非为了自身的愉悦而在此讲话...
...because if he does...
...如果情况是那样...
...he can do that in his own room if he wants to...
...如果他想那样做，他可以待在自己的房间里做这件事...
...but as two friends...
...而是，我们作为朋友...
...exploring hesitantly...
...共同以质疑的态度来慢慢探索...
...without any bias...
...心中不存有任何的偏见...
...sceptically, doubting...
...我们保持怀疑的态度，不轻易相信...
...questioning, exploring...
...提出问题，深入探索...
...and observing objectively, without any bias...
...客观的观察，不带任何的偏见...
...together...
...让我们共同来经历...
...because we are concerned with our own lives.
...因为我们都深深关注着我们的生命。
And this enquiry into this psyche...
并且这种对心智的问询...
...is not selfish activity...
...并非自私的行动...
...does not encourage or expand...
...它并不会怂恿或者扩张...
...self-centred egotistic movement.
...那种以自我为中心的自大行为。
On the contrary...
相反的...
...both religiously and through education...
...在全世界范围内...
...throughout the world...
...通过宗教和教育...
...the egocentric activity has been emphasised...
...那种以自我为中心的自大行为被不断强调着...
...Christians believe in souls...
...基督教教徒相信灵魂...
...separate from the rest of humanity...
...这将他们与其他的人类分隔开了...
...so do the Hindus with their atman and so on.
...印度教教徒也做着同样的事情，他们相信的是生命的本源而已，等等。
And this great emphasis on individuality...
这种特别强调个体性的做法...
...has brought about great harm...
...已经带来了巨大的伤害...
...great competition, cruelty.
...激烈的竞争和残忍。
So one must - you and the speaker are going to question all this...
所以，我们每一个人必须-你和这个讲话者将要就这一切提问...
...whether we are individuals at all...
...我们究竟是不是一个又一个的个体...
...or we share the common humanity of sorrow...
...或者我们是共有人类共同的悲伤...
...fear, pleasure...
...恐惧，愉悦...
...anxiety, depression...
...忧虑，抑郁...
...and the fear of the unknown - death.
...还有对未知的恐惧-死亡。
This is the common lot of every human being on this earth.
这是地球上每一个人类共同的命运。
Every human being on this earth has invented their own gods...
地球上的每一个人类都发明了他们自己的神...
...hoping thereby there could be some kind of security...
...希望因此他们可以获得某种安全感...
...a way out of fear...
...一种脱离恐惧的方法...
...praying in their own way...
...以他们自己的方式祈祷着...
...to end their own complexity...
...祈祷结束他们自己的种种复杂...
...their own pain and anxiety...
...结束他们自己的痛苦和焦虑...
...this is shared by all human beings.
...这样的方式是全人类共有的。
Not by you as an American or an Italian or Russian or English...
不会因为你是美国人，意大利人，俄国人，英国人或者印度人...
...or an Indian...
...而有所不同...
...but it is shared by every human being on this earth.
...而是为地球上的所有人类所共有着。
You may intellectually, my friend, accept the logic of it...
我的朋友，你可能会在知性的层面上接受这样的逻辑...
...but what is logic, reason...
...但是这种被称作逻辑和推理的东西...
...is merely superficial...
...也仅仅是非常肤浅的...
...but when actually in one's blood, in one's whole being...
...但是，实际上，在一个人的血液中，在他的整个存在当中...
...feels the truth of this...
...去感受，就会感受到这样的真理：
...that our consciousness is shared by all humanity.
我们的意识是整个人类所共有共享的。
You may believe in one kind of god...
你可能信仰某一种神...
...or in one kind of saviour and so on...
...或者信仰某一种救世主，等等...
...but that belief, believing...
...但是那个信仰，信仰的行为本身...
...is shared by every human being...
...是每一个人类都共有共享的...
...to believe in something.
...那就是去信仰某样事物。
So you are humanity.
所以你就是人类。
This is a great truth.
这是一个伟大的真理。
It is a great something when one actually...
这是一件了不起的事情，当一个人能够真正的...
...in one's heart and in one's blood...
...在他的心中，血液中...
...and in one's guts realises this...
...在他的骨髓当中意识到这一点...
...then we would think of the world...
...那么我们将以全然不同的方式...
...totally in a different way.
...来关注这个世界。
To kill another is to kill oneself...
杀死别人就是杀死自己...
...to hate another is to hate oneself and so on.
...去恨别人就是恨你自己，等等。
And, as together - you and the speaker...
并且，让我们共同，你和这个讲话者...
...are taking a journey...
...我们在经历着这段旅程...
...we ought to enquire...
...我们应该询问...
...into what is discipline...
...究竟什么是纪律...
...and what is parapsychology.
...以及什么是超心理学。
Many people are concerned with the parapsychology...
许多的人正关注着超心理学...
...the occultism...
...神秘主义...
...reading thoughts, and awakening kundalini...
...读心术和拙火的觉醒...
...you have heard all that kind of stuff, haven't you?
...你们都听说过诸如此类的种种，不是吗？
Going to India to find out...
人们去印度寻道...
...or to Tibet if you can get there...
...去西藏寻道，如果你能去得了西藏的话...
...you can't any more...
...如果你去不了...
...or go to Japan, find out...
...就去日本寻道...
...all the rest of this stuff.
...所有的诸如此类的行为。
The speaker has been, from childhood, involved in all this.
讲话者自己，从孩提时代，就体验了此类神秘经验的种种。
Forgive me for being a little personal...
请原谅我在这里提到这些私人的事情...
...he knows a great deal or something of all that.
...讲话者对那些神秘主义的经验或知道很多或知道一部分。
But all these things are like...
但是所有的那些事情都象是...
...a pleasant day or a lovely afternoon...
...愉快的一天或者一个宜人的下午...
...that pass away and they have utterly no importance whatsoever.
...总是会消失掉，所以它们都完全没有任何的重要性。
What is important, most essential...
真正重要的，最本质的...
...not these mysterious things...
...并非那些神秘的事物...
...which are not mysterious at all...
...因为那些所谓的神秘事物其实一点都不神秘...
...if one is very sensitive...
...如果一个人非常的敏感...
...both physically...
...不但是身体上的敏感...
...and has a very, very quiet, silent brain...
...并且拥有一个非常空寂和全然安静的头脑...
...then all the other things are possible.
...那么所有的那些事情都将成为可能。
And what is possible can be understood and transcended.
那么成为可能的事情就能被理解和超越。
That is to find out that which is timeless...
依此就可以发掘什么才是永恒的...
...which is beyond measure...
...什么才是超越量度的...
...is much more important...
...这将比耽溺在那些幼稚的事情上...
...than to indulge in these childish things.
...来得更加重要。
And also we ought to talk over together...
并且我们应该共同来探讨...
...what is discipline?
...什么是纪律？
Why human beings more and more have no sense of order.
为什么人类越来越失去了条理性。
Please, this is not a sermon...
请您了解，这并非是布道...
...which becomes a bore.
...布道是非常无聊的事情。
The speaker is not telling you what to do, or what to think...
讲话者并非要告诉你怎么做，怎么想...
...but to observe together...
...而是要和你一起观察...
...to see things as they are...
...共同看到事物的本来面目...
...not as you or the speaker wishes...
...也并非是看到你或者讲话者希望看到的事情...
...to see exactly...
...我们要确确实实的看...
...correctly, directly...
...正确的看，直接的看...
...things as they are.
...看到事物的本来面目。
We live in a very disordered world...
我们生活在一个非常混乱的世界当中...
...chaotic, contradictory, cruel world...
...无序的，自相矛盾的，残酷的世界...
...and this has been the result of long...
...这就是漫长的四万年的...
...forty thousand years of evolution...
...进化的结果...
..and we have come to this chaotic state.
...并且我们继承了这样混乱的状态。
And in observing that, what is order?
那么观察到这样的状况后，秩序又是什么呢？
Is there any order at all?
究竟有没有秩序这种东西呢？
Or must man, human beings...
还是说一个人，整个人类...
...live perpetually in disorder...
...必须生活在永恒的混乱当中...
...not only externally but also inwardly?
...这种混乱不但是外部的混乱，也同时是内在的混乱？
Disorder seems to be our lot...
混乱看起来似乎是我们的命运...
...to think clearly, objectively seems almost impossible...
...清晰而且客观的思考看起来几乎是不可能的...
...because each one of us wants his own particular way...
...因为我们每一个人都想要他自己独特的方式...
...his own fulfilment...
...他自己的满足...
...his own ambition and so on.
...他自己的野心，等等。
So what is order?
那么什么才是秩序？
And what is the relationship of that to discipline?
并且秩序和纪律的关系又是什么呢？
The word 'discipline' etymologically means...
”纪律“这个词，在语源学上指...
...'a disciple, who learns'...
”学徒，在学习的徒弟“
...it comes from the word 'disciple'.
它来源于”学徒“这个词。
A disciple is one who is learning...
一个学徒是指一个时时在学习的人...
...not conforming, not repeating...
...而并非顺从和重复的人...
...not repeating slogans...
...他不是一个重复各种口号的人...
...but constantly learning.
...而是一个不断学习的人。
So what do we mean by learning?
那么所谓学习又是什么意思呢？
When you go to school, college, university...
当你进入学校进入大学的时候...
...you learn from books...
...你从书本上学习...
...from the professors, from the teachers, and memorise.
...你从教授那里学习，从老师那里学习，你记忆下你学习到的东西。
That memory is necessary up to a certain point...
那样的记忆在某种程度上是必需的...
...to have a vocation, a job.
...譬如说为了从事一门职业，获得一份工作。
Either one uses that memory skilfully or sloppily.
无论一个人使用起这些记忆来是娴熟的还是笨拙的。
So learning so far as we understand it generally...
所以，目前为止我们学习的普遍的理解是...
...is to memorise.
...学习就是去记忆。
If you read a book, about mathematics...
如果你读一本关于数学的书...
...or computers or what you will...
...或者关于计算机的书或者你想要读的某一类的书...
...and memorise, and from that act.
...于是你就记忆它，然后依据你的记忆来采取行动。
So it becomes mechanical.
于是这就变成了机械化的过程。
So is there a learning?
那么，这里有所谓的学习吗？
Please enquire with the speaker.
请您，和讲话者一起来质询。
He is asking the friend who is walking along...
他正在问他的朋友，这位和他并肩而行的朋友...
...taking the journey together...
...这位和他一起经历着这段旅程的朋友...
...he is asking him - what is actually learning?
...他问他的这位朋友-什么是真正的学习？
Is it merely memory operating...
难道学习仅仅是记忆的运作...
...accumulation of a great deal of information...
...仅仅是大量信息的累积...
...knowledge about various subjects...
...关于各种不同主题的知识...
...which have their own discipline, their own way...
...这些知识都有各自的纪律，遵循各自的运作方式...
...and gradually the brain...
...于是大脑渐渐的...
...follows certain categories...
...遵循一定的分类...
...certain grooves...
...一定的惯例...
...and so those grooves and categories and specialisations...
...于是这些各种各样的惯例，分类和专门化...
...become a means of accumulating knowledge...
...制造出了一种积累知识...
...memory, and operating from that memory.
积...累记忆，然后从这些记忆来运作的方式。
This is what we call learning.
这就是我们称为学习的东西。
But, learning also implies...
但是，学习也意味着...
...a constant movement...
...一种持续不断的运动...
...a brain that is not only burdened...
...一个不仅仅是被...
...with knowledge of mathematics...
...数学的知识...
...geography, history or computer and so on...
...地理知识，历史知识和计算机知识等等所重压着的头脑...
...but also the brain must be active...
...而是一个必须非常的活跃...
...enquiring, questioning, doubting.
...随时质询，提问和质疑的头脑。
And through this process there is never...
那么通过这样的过程，就永远不会有...
...I'm finding the right word...
...我在试图找到一个合适的词...
...there is never a static state.
...就永远不会出现一个僵死的状态。
Knowledge becomes static...
知识会处于一种僵死的状态...
...when you have accumulated a great deal...
...如果你已经积累了一大堆的知识...
...it becomes repetitive, static...
...它会变得不断重复和僵死...
...but learning is a movement...
...但是学习是一种运动...
...and therefore is never static, it is living.
...因此永远都不是僵死的，而是充满了活力。
One must understand this very carefully...
一个人必须非常用心仔细地了解这一点...
...because each one of us...
...因为我们每一个人...
...the self, the 'me', the persona...
...那个自我，那个”我“，那个我的角色...
...whatever name you give to the psyche...
...无论你如果给那个心智命名...
...is a bundle of memories.
...它都是一大堆的记忆而已。
We may think we are great spiritual entities...
我们或者会认为我们是伟大的精神实体...
...gods or all the rest of that business...
...我们是神，或者其余类似的种种...
...but it is still memory...
...但是，我们仍然只是我们的记忆而已...
...we are a bundle of memories.
...我们是一大堆的记忆。
And to that memory we are adding all the time.
并且我们还在不断地在那个记忆当中添加新的记忆。
But the essence of it is static.
但是它的本质仍然是僵死的。
But whereas learning...
然而学习...
...not merely accumulating knowledge...
...不非仅仅是积累知识...
...but moving further away from knowledge...
...而是进一步的从这些知识当中解脱出来...
...constantly...
...不断的解脱...
...is the act of learning.
...这才是学习的行动。
That learning brings its own discipline which is to order.
也就是说，学习带来了它自身的纪律-去建立它自身的秩序。
Therefore order is a living thing...
因此，秩序是一个充满活力的事物...
...not conformative, following a pattern...
...它不循规蹈矩，它没有一定的模式...
...which doesn't mean that you change from day to day to day...
...而我们总是日复一日地循规蹈矩做事，依照模式的行动...
...that's what you are all doing - going after various fads.
...这也是你们所有人都在做的事情-我们追随各种各样的流行。
But learning implies tremendous observation...
但是学习意味着全然的观察...
...observation without motive.
...没有任何动机的观察。
The moment you have motive that motive is static...
你产生动机的那一刻，你的动机是僵死的...
...because that motive is born out of memory.
...因为动机是产生于记忆的。
I hope my friend is following all this.
我希望我的朋友能够明白我讲的这些。
If not he says, 'I don't understand what the devil you are talking about!
如果他不明白他就会说：“你究竟在讲什么我都不明白！
We all live by motives.
我们的生活中充满了动机。
Sexual motives, motives of pleasure...
来自于性的动机，来自于快感的动机...
...motives of wanting, gratifying...
...想要得到的动机，想要取悦他人...
...achieving, achieving illumination...
...想要达成某事，想要获得启发...
...you know, enlightenment - all that - we live by motive...
...你知道，想要开悟，所有的这一切，我们都是活在动机当中...
...and you are saying something...
...然而你却在讲...
...either true or utterly nonsense.'
...那或许是真的或者全是些废话。”
The word 'motive', the root meaning of that word is 'to move'.
“动机”这个单词，它的词根意思是“移动，转移”。
To move, not in a particular direction...
移动，并非朝着一个特定的方向...
...not self-centred egotistic desire.
...并非以自我为中心的自大的个人欲求。
This becomes difficult...
以下的话可能变得有些难于理解...
...motive implies, as we said...
...动机意味着，如我们前面讲过的...
...motive is born out of memory.
...动机产生于记忆。
Right?
对不对？
Because I want something which I am missing. Right?
有这样的动机因为我想要拥有我所没有的东西。对不对？
That's one form of motive.
这是动机的一种形式。
I want to achieve fame...
我想要获得名望...
...appear in the beastly papers...
...让我的名字出现在那些残忍的报纸上...
...well-known, power, position...
...我想出名，我想获得权利，我想拥有地位...
...everybody say, 'What a marvellous bird you are'.
...每个人都说，“你是多么了不起的人物啊！”
There is a motive...
动机...
...which is a projection of our own memory and desire...
...是我们的记忆和欲求的投射物...
...therefore that memory is limited and therefore static.
...因此这样的记忆是局限的，是僵死的。
Right, have you understood, my friend?
那么，你能够理解吗，我的朋友？
He says, 'Go on, I am catching what you are talking about.
他继续说：“请接着说下去，我能够跟得上你所说的。
But is this possible, he asks...
但是我们有没有可能...
...to live and to live so that...
...生活着，并且在生活中...
...there is constantly learning, till you reach a point...
...不断的学习，直到...
...when there is no learning at all?'
...根本没有可以学的为止？”
Because what is there to learn...
因为有什么是值得学习的吗？
...except mathematics, engineering...
除了那些数学，工程学...
...science and so on...
...科学，等等...
...technological learning?
...机械化的学习。
Apart from all that, what is there to learn?
除了那些，还有什么可以学习的呢？
'Please, you understand, go slowly my friend.'
“请你，请你明白，你必须慢慢来，我的朋友。”
He says to me, to the speaker...
他对我说，对讲话者说...
...'Go slow - I am not - my brain doesn't...
“慢慢来，我不能够，我的大脑不能够...
...work as rapidly as yourself.'
...象你的大脑一样快速的运转。”
That's a form of flattery which the speaker is not falling for.
这是一种讲话者不会落入的恭维的陷阱。
So he says, 'Explain a little more'...
所以他接着说，“再解释一下”...
...because we are talking about order.
...因为我们正在讨论的是秩序。
This order can only be understood and lived...
这种秩序只能够被理解和实践...
...not merely intellectually understood...
...不仅是在知性上理解...
...but lived in daily life.
...而且必须在日常的生活中去践行。
That order comes only...
这样的秩序产生的前提是...
...when the static movement...
...所有僵死的行动...
...of the self as memory...
...这种出自记忆的自我的僵死的行动...
...with its motive is no longer operating.
...及其动机都停止运作。
Because the self is a bundle of memories...
因为我们的自我就是一大堆的记忆...
...I am telling the friend...
...我告诉这位朋友...
...if you watch yourself, you see you are a bundle of memories...
如果你观察你自己，你就会看到你是一大堆的记忆...
...to those memories can be added a great deal...
...这一大堆的记忆可以被添加大量的其它记忆...
...but it is still memory...
...但是它仍然只是记忆...
...and therefore it is limited, therefore it is static.
...因此它是局限的，因此它是僵死的。
Anything that is static must create conflict...
任何僵死的事物，必然造成冲突...
...with things that are moving.
...与那些充满活力的事物形成冲突。
So, find out...
所以我们来查出真相...
...the speaker is telling the friend...
...讲话者告诉他的朋友...
...find out if you can live...
...我们来探索，我们是否可以生活...
...without a motive and yet learn all the time...
...却不带都任何动机，并且时刻都在学习...
...till you come to a point...
...直到...
...when there is nothing to learn any more...
...已经再没有什么可以学习了...
...we'll go into that presently...
...我们正要探索这一点...
...so that there is complete order.
...然后就产生了全然的秩序。
Order for most of us means conformity, repetition...
对我们大部分人来说，秩序意味着循规蹈矩，意味着重复...
...adjustment...
...意味着调整...
...always from a centre adjusting.
...总是从我们自我的那个中心进行调整。
So order is a living thing...
所以秩序是活跃的...
...not a blueprint.
...而不是一个蓝图。
And that order brings...
并且这种秩序带来的是...
...an extraordinary sense of stability...
...一种不同凡响的稳定感...
...gives great strength...
...巨大的能量...
...from which...
...以这样的稳定感和能量为源头...
...as the earth from which trees...
...就象大地作为树木的源头...
...everything grows...
...所有一切皆可以成长...
...this sense of great stability...
...以这种不同凡响的稳定感...
...strength from which every other thing can flow.
...和能量为源头，其它的所有一切都可以流淌。
So my friend says, 'It all sounds marvellous, verbally...
于是我的朋友说，“这一切从字面上听起来都很美妙...
...but I don't quite capture what you're talking about.
...但是我不能够全然理解你所说的事情。
I understand it vaguely...
我可以含糊的理解它...
...but perhaps I'll capture it one day.'
...但是或许有一天我可以完全理解它。”
And the speaker says, 'You'll never capture it one day!
讲话者回答说：“你永远没办法有一天完全理解它！
Either you capture it now...
或者你在这个当下完全理解它...
...and if you don't understand it now...
...如果你不在这个当下理解它...
...you'll never understand it tomorrow.
...你永远不会在明天理解它。
Because the 'now' is time.
因为这个‘当下’即是时间。
The 'now' contains all time...
这个‘当下’包含了所有时间...
...the past, the present and the future.
...过去，现在和未来。
Right?
你明白吗？
What is now, what you are now...
这个当下是什么，这个当下的你是什么...
...is what you'll be tomorrow.
...明天的你就是什么。
Unless you radically change now, you'll be...
除非你在这个当下发生根本全然的改变，你将会成为...
...the future is what you are now. That's so obvious.
...未来的你就只是当下的你。这是最明了不过的真相了。
So, the future is the present...
所以，未来就是现在...
...and the present is the past...
...而现在就是过去...
...so the present now contains all time.'
所以现在的这个当下包含了一切时间。”
And when my friend says, 'I'll think about it...
于是我的朋友说，“我将考虑你说的话...
...and perhaps eventually get it'...
...或许我将最终了悟它的真理”...
...then he is merely postponing...
...然后他就仅仅是推迟拖延...
...not giving attention to the whole content of the 'now'.
...并不给予这个“当下”的完整内容以充分的全神贯注的关注。
And the 'now', which is attention, is order.
然而，这个“当下”即是全神贯注的关注，即是秩序。
So, let's go to next thing.
那么，让我们来进入下面的内容。
My friend asks...
我的朋友问我...
...'Why is it that all my life...
...“为什么我一生...
...I have sought pleasure?'
...都在不停的寻求各种愉悦？”
Pleasure seems to be the most important thing in one's life.
愉悦的感觉看起来似乎是一个人生命中最重要的事情。
What's wrong with pleasure?
那么愉悦的感觉究竟坏处在哪里？
Why is it that human beings go after it so ceaselessly?
为什么人类追逐愉悦快感的行为永远无法停止？
Pleasure through sex...
性带来的愉悦感...
...pleasure through possessions...
...通过占有获得的愉悦感...
...pleasure through power, fame, notoriety?
通过权利，名望甚至臭名远扬获得的愉悦感，这种追逐活动为什么无法停止？
Pleasure through writing a book - it may be a failure...
通过写一本书获得的愉悦感，这本书可能是一部失败的作品...
...people may not buy it, but the pleasure of writing it.
...人们可能不会去买它，但是写这本书本身即能带来愉悦感。
Pleasure seems to be a common lot of humanity.
追逐愉悦感似乎是人类共同的命运。
And why?
那么，这是为什么呢？
Why has it become so important?
为什么它如此的重要？
'Please enquire, the speaker says to his friend, enquire.'
“请质询”，讲话者对他的朋友说，“质询它。”
Don't say, 'Yes, I must have pleasure.'
不要说，“是的，我必须有这些愉悦感。”
We have always lived by pleasure...
我们一直以来都依赖着各种各样的愉悦感...
...fulfilment, gratification...
...我们追求达成圆满，追求心满意足...
...achievement...
...追求功成名就...
...the different forms of pleasure.
...各种不同形式的愉悦感。
But why is it that we cling to it...
但是我们为什么要依附于愉悦感呢...
...that we perpetually are after it?
...而无止境的紧追其后呢？
We take drugs, alcohol...
我们使用毒品，酒精...
...with all its misery, but it's pleasurable.
...尽管它们带来各种的痛苦，但是我们仍然沉溺在它们带来的快感当中。
The immediacy of pleasure.
那种即刻获得的愉悦感。
You understand?
你们明白我所讲的吗？
Not the postponement of pleasure.
不是什么延缓了的愉悦感。
Right?
是不是？
That is, where there is pleasure now, at the second...
这就是说，如果当下这一刻存在着愉悦感，就在这一秒钟...
...there is no interference or interpretation of thought.
...就不会存在思想的干扰和解释活动。
Pleasure, the second there is the pleasure...
愉悦感一旦产生...
...then a few seconds later...
...几秒钟之后...
...thought creates the image of that pleasure...
...思想就会制造出愉悦感相应的具象...
...of that sensation...
...这个具象来源于愉悦感所带来的种种感官的感受...
...and then pursues that.
...接着我们的头脑就开始不断的追逐这一想象。
Right, my friend, do you understand this?
我的朋友，你能了解我所说的吗？
So thought, again, creates the image of that second...
所以说，思想在那一刻产生了一个具象...
...seeing the extraordinary beauty of the sunset...
...当我们欣赏着日落时的非凡美景...
...with all the golden light of an evening...
...伴着傍晚时金黄色的霞光...
...the great beauty and the stillness of the sunset...
...感受强烈的美感和日落的沉静...
...with its green ray which so rarely happens...
...还有可能偶遇那罕见的绿光...
...there is the immediate perception of that...
...这一切的美好我们都是即刻感知的...
...then thought says, 'How marvellous that was!
...然而思想说道，“多么的美妙呵！
How beautiful! How extraordinarily vital!'
多么美丽呵！多么充满活力的景观呵！”
And it has created image...
于是它创造出了这个具象...
...and the next day it wants it again.
...在接下来的那一天，思想想要再一次获得这样的美景。
Right?
是这样吗？
So the understanding of thought...
所以懂得什么是思想...
...the thinking process...
...思想是如何运作的...
...becomes extraordinarily important.
...变得至关重要。
Fear is one of the factors of our life...
恐惧是人生的一个重要因素...
...like pleasure.
...就象愉悦感一样。
Perhaps fear is a greater factor than pleasure.
或许恐惧比愉悦感更关键。
Fear of not having pleasure.
我们对于无法获得愉悦感的恐惧。
So, my friend says...
所以，我的朋友对我说...
...'Can we go into this question of fear?
...“我们能深入讨论一下恐惧这个问题吗？
And also in exploring,' he says, 'can it ever end...
恐惧感能在探索的过程中终结吗？
...or must fear everlastingly be the burden of humanity?'
...还是说它将作为人类的重担永远存在下去？”
So together, my friend, we are going to find out...
那么，我的朋友，让我们共同来探索它...
...not the speaker is going to instruct, and you follow...
...并非讲话者传授，你跟随...
...which becomes rather childish and immature...
...那样的话我们的交流就变得非常幼稚和不成熟...
...but rather, together...
...相反的，我们要一起...
...you and the speaker...
...你和讲话者...
...are going into this question of fear.
...共同来深入探讨这个恐惧的问题。
Man has lived with fear for thousands upon thousands of years.
人类已经与恐惧共处了成千上万年的时间。
Fear of nature, thunderstorm...
人类对大自然的恐惧，对暴风雨的恐惧...
...fear of darkness...
...对黑暗的恐惧...
...fear of the very existence of life...
...对生命存在本身的恐惧...
...fear of your neighbour...
...对邻居的恐惧...
...of one's wife or husband...
...丈夫对妻子的恐惧，妻子对丈夫的恐惧...
...fear of not achieving...
...对无法功成名就的恐惧...
...fear of being a failure...
...对失败的恐惧...
...especially in this country...
...特别是你们身处的这个国家...
...where success is worshipped.
...人们对成功顶礼膜拜。
Don't you all want success?
你们所有的人，难道你们不是都想获得成功吗？
Of course we all do.
当然，我们都想获得它。
And most of us, unfortunately or fortunately...
但是我们大部分的人，或者你认为这是一种幸运，或者你认这是一种不幸...
...are not great successes...
...都并非什么成功人士...
...except perhaps a few politicians, and the gurus...
...除了一些政客和上师们...
...which accumulate money...
...他们通过各种胡说八道的宣传...
...with their nonsense...
...聚敛钱财...
...and the evangelist and so on, so on, so on.
...一些所谓的福音布道者也玩着同样的把戏，等等，等等。
You know, have you ever realised...
你们知道吗？你们是否曾经意识到...
...the Catholic world is the most...
...天主教世界...
...real estate people in the world?
...是全世界最大的房地产业主？
They own great quantities of earth all over the world.
他们在全世界范围内拥有大量的土地。
And achievement, success...
还有，我们想取得成就，我们想成功...
...longing to be loved...
...我们渴望被爱...
...and finding that you're not loved.
...但却发现我们得不到爱。
And fear, bitterness, anxiety, and hate.
生活中充斥着恐惧，苦难，焦虑还有仇恨。
So we, together, ought to go into the question of fear.
那么我们应该一起，来深入到这个恐惧的问题当中。
Not merely the explanation, the description...
不是仅仅去解释恐惧，描述恐惧...
...which is very deceptive...
...如果我们那样做，就具有很大的欺骗性...
...because people are generally caught...
...因为人们总是被这些...
...in description and explanations...
...描述和解释所困...
...and so never get to the root of it.
...所以永远无法深入到它的根源。
My friend says, 'Let's get to the root of it...
我的朋友对我说，“让我们深入探索恐惧的根源...
...because I am also fed up with explanations.
...因为我已经受够了种种的解释。
I can go to a psychologist and all the rest of it...
我可以去向心理学专家求教或者向其他的学者们求教...
...but those explanations have not completely...
...但是他们的所有解释从来没有圆满过...
...eradicated from me the sense of fear.'
...从来没有办法完全彻底的根除我的恐惧感。”
So unless we go into it very deeply...
所以，除非我们非常深入的去探究它...
...mere explanation is of very little value.
...仅仅是解释的话，对我们将不具有任何价值。
The feel of it, the quality of it, the structure of it...
我们要探究恐惧的感受是什么，质地是什么，它的结构是什么...
...because where there is fear...
...因为哪里有恐惧...
...there is everlastingly seeking security.
...哪里就有永恒不变的追寻安全感的活动。
Fear has created all the gods and the saviours of the world.
人类因为恐惧的原因而在这个世界上造出了各种的神和救世主。
A man that has no fear at all...
一个没有任何恐惧的人...
...both biologically and psychologically...
...既没有生理上的恐惧也没有心理上的恐惧...
...for him there is no god...
...对他来说，就不会存在神...
...because he is the essence of a religious mind.
...因为这样的人具备了宗教心灵的核心本质。
We'll go into that later.
我们随后会探索这一点。
So, together, let's find out what is the root of it.
那么，让我们一起来探询什么是恐惧的根源。
Will you find out...
是你自己来探索呢...
...or will the speaker find out and tell you about it?
...还是这个讲话者去发现这个真相再把它告诉你？
Which means: is your brain...
我的意思是：你的头脑...
...the speaker asking his friend...
...这个讲话者问他的朋友...
...is your brain active enough, passionate enough...
...你的头脑够活跃吗？它是否充满热情？
...has energy to find out?
...它是否有足够的能量来发现这个真相？
Or you're merely verbally...
还是你只是口头上...
...wanting something to find out?
...说你想要发现真相？
But if you have that intensity to find out...
但是如果你强烈的想要去探询它...
...we'll go together into it.
...我们就一同来深入它的本来面目。
First of all, time is a factor of fear.
首先，时间是恐惧的一个要素。
Time, as yesterday...
时间，比如昨天...
...of which we know because yesterday's memory...
...我们能够了解昨天，因为我们的头脑里...
...is stored in the brain...
...存储着关于昨天的记忆...
...and tomorrow is uncertain...
...而明天是不确定的...
...tomorrow may extend a thousand tomorrows...
...明天又可以延伸出一千个明天...
...but tomorrow is uncertain therefore there is fear.
...但是明天代表着不确定，因此就产生了恐惧。
I might lose, I might not gain...
我可能会失去什么，我可能将无法获得...
...I might find myself lonely...
...我可能会落得很孤单...
...desperate, anxious.
...绝望，焦虑。
So time as a factor of fear is obvious.
所以显而易见，时间是恐惧的一个重要元素。
So what is time?
那么什么是时间？
Why is it that time has become so important in our life?
为什么时间在我们的人生中变得那么重要？
Time to learn a language...
我们需要时间来学习一门语言...
...time to get engaged to a woman...
...我们需要时间来和一个女人订婚...
...time to become an expert in something or other...
...我们需要时间来变成某一方面的专家...
...time to write a letter...
...我们需要时间写一封信...
...but a computer is going to take away your time too...
...但是计算机也将会剥夺你的一部分时间...
...because it can do things so extraordinarily rapidly.
...因为计算机工作的速度是非常惊人的。
I do not know if this is a moment to talk about the computer.
我不知道现在谈论计算机是否是合适的时机。
Perhaps we will because it is rather interesting.
或许我们可以来谈一下，因为这是一个非常有意思的现象。
We have been talking to the experts about it...
我们曾经和计算机方面的专家们讨论过...
...specialists who are producing computers.
...那些制造计算机的专家们。
They can do almost everything that man can do...
计算机几乎可以做人类可以做的所有事情...
...except perhaps be affectionate to another.
...除了它们或许不能互相倾注感情。
It can compose, it can etcetera...
它们可以写作，它们可以做各种各样的事情...
...you know how much, I won't go into it.
...你们可能知道它们都有哪些能耐，我就不一一叙述了。
It can build a car through a robot...
它可以用机器人来造汽车...
...as some of them are doing...
...就象已经有一些计算机在做这种事情了...
...in various factories in Japan and Germany and here.
...在日本和德国都有这样的工厂，在这里也有。
And so the computer can be programmed...
那么我们可以给计算机编一些程序...
...as we are programmed...
...就象我们也被编上了程序...
...to be Christians, to be Hindus, to be American...
...我们的程序是，成为基督徒，成为印度教教徒，成为美国人...
...to be specialists: we are programmed.
...成为专家：我们都被编上了程序。
Our brain functions on programs, which is memory.
我们的大脑根据这些程序来运作，这些程序就是记忆。
And the computer can do all this with extraordinary rapidity.
而计算机可以完成所有的这一切，而且速度迅捷无比。
The IBM lately discovered that chip...
IBM最近发现，芯片...
...a million memories in that one little chip.
...百万的记忆可以被存储在一个小小的芯片里。
It can calculate, it can add...
它可以运算，可以添加...
...it can do extraordinary things, the computer.
...计算机可以做各种各样非凡的事情。
So what's going to happen to the brain of human beings?
那么我们人类的大脑会变成什么样子呢？
You understand my question?
你明白我的问题吗？
Our brains have been active...
我们的大脑一直以来非常的活跃...
...in adding and subtracting...
...做各种的加和减...
...in a shop, in a supermarket, you have to add...
...在商店里，在超市中，你必须要去加...
...work, use your brain to add.
...你的大脑要运算，用你的大脑去加。
But when you press a button and a computer does all the adding...
但是当你按下一个按钮计算机就帮你完成了所有的加法...
...you don't think at all.
...你的大脑就完全没有必要思考工作了。
So what is going to happen to the brain...
那么我们的大脑会起什么样的变化呢...
...that is becoming more and more...
...我们的大脑就会变得...
...or less and less active...
...越来越不活跃了...
...which is becoming more and more mechanical, limited...
...而是变得越来越机械和局限...
...when the computer can do almost everything?
...当计算机已经能替代我们做几乎所有事情的时候，我们的头脑会变成什么样子？
Either it degenerates very rapidly as is taking place now...
或者我们的大脑迅速退化，就象现在已经在发生的一样...
...of which most of us are totally unaware...
...虽然我们大部分的人并没有意识到这一点...
...or everlastingly be entertained.
...再或者我们就是耽溺在无休止的娱乐当中。
The entertainment industry is immensely strong.
娱乐业是异常强大的。
The entertainment industry is not only the cinema...
娱乐业并非仅仅是电影院...
...the magazines and all that...
...杂志和这一类的东西...
...but also the religious entertainment...
...它还包括宗教的娱乐业...
...don't get upset about it...
...不要因为我所说的话而感到不快...
...it is also part of entertainment...
...那些都仅仅是娱乐的一部分而已...
...because it is nothing to do with our daily living.
...因为那些都与我们的每一天的生活毫无关系。
So the computer may produce...
所以说，计算机可能会制造出...
...may bring about a withering state of the brain...
...可能会带来大脑的枯竭萎缩的状态...
...and so the entertainment industry takes it over...
...所以娱乐业才能形成接管的局面...
...which is happening now.
...这就是正在我们身边发生的事实。
Please be aware of it for god's sake!
请你们，务必要意识到这一点！
Or we have the whole vast area of the psyche...
或者我们说，我们有这样辽阔的心智领域...
...to investigate and live differently.
...我们要去探索它，活出不同的人生。
These two possibilities are open to you.
这两种可能性都是时刻向你敞开的。
And inevitably man, being what he is, will choose entertainment.
但是不可避免的，人类以他的现状，将会选择娱乐。
So we must come back and find out...
所以我们必须要向回看并且继续探索...
...what is the root of fear.
...什么是恐惧的根源。
We said time.
我们说过是时间。
Time is the most extraordinary complex thing.
时间是最不同寻常的复杂事物。
We live by time - we have to go to lunch at a certain time.
我们活在时间当中-我们必须要约好时间去吃午餐。
And time is contained in the present, the future, the past...
时间包含在现在，未来和过去当中...
...the whole movement of time is now...
...时间的整体运作就是当下...
...if you look at it...
...如果你能看到这个真相...
...because tomorrow is what you are now.
...因为明天就是你的现在。
If you're angry, hating, violent now...
如果你现在是愤怒的，充满仇恨，充满暴力...
...tomorrow you will be the same exactly...
...明天你将是完全相同的...
...perhaps slightly modified or expanded.
...可能只是作了细微的修饰和扩展。
So the future is now.
所以未来就是现在。
Please see the truth of this.
请你了悟这一真相。
The fact of it, my friend.
看到真相的本来面目，我的朋友。
So if you don't radically...
所以如果你不从根本上...
...fundamentally bring about...
...彻彻底底的进行一场...
...a total psychological revolution in you...
...完全的自我心理革命...
...tomorrow you will be the same.
...明天的你将不会有任何的不同。
So time is the enemy of man.
所以，时间是人类的敌人。
Please see it.
请你看到这样的真相。
So time is a factor of fear...
所以我们说，时间是恐惧的一个重要元素...
...I have a job, I might lose it...
...我有一份工作，我可能会失去它...
...my wife can run away, leaving me alone...
...我的太太可能会出走，将我一个人孤独的留下来...
...jealousy and all the rest of it follows.
...嫉妒和随之而来的一切都摆在了我的面前。
So time is the basic root cause of fear.
所以，时间是造成恐惧的本质的根源。
And time is also thought.
并且，时间也是思想。
Both are movements...
这两者都是运动...
...both psychologically...
...都运作在心理层面上...
...and outwardly, externally.
...都是表面的，外部的。
So time, thought are the root of fear.
所以，时间和思想就是恐惧的根源。
It is a fact.
这就是它的真相。
Then my friend asks...
接着我的朋友问道...
...'How in heaven's name can I stop time, thinking?
...“天哪！我要如何才能让时间和思想止息啊？
How can I? I have to go to the office...
我怎么做得到？我必须要去我的办公室...
...time is necessary there?
...这可是要花费时间的。
But time - you are saying to me...
但是，你却对我说，时间...
...inwardly, psychologically...
...内在的，心理上的时间...
...when you use time to become, to be, to drive, etc...
...当人们使用时间去成为，去存在，去驱动，等等...
...that time is the enemy.
...那个时间就是我们的敌人。
Because tomorrow is what you are now.
因为明天就是你现在的自己。
Therefore, unless you profoundly change now...
那么除非你在这个当下发生剧变...
...tomorrow is the enemy.'
...明天就是你的敌人。”
So fear - of which you are all well aware...
那么恐惧，这个所有人都能深刻感受的东西...
...every human being on this earth knows fear...
...所有这个地球上的人类都有恐惧...
...the calamity of that, the sadness of that...
...恐惧带来的不幸，带来的悲伤...
...and the brutality of fear.
...恐惧带来的残忍。
That's what's happening: the brutality of ideologies...
这就是发生在我们身边的事实：意识形态带来的残忍行为...
...the Russian ideology and the democratic ideology.
...无论是俄国的意识形态或者民主的意识形态。
Yes, sirs, look into it carefully.
是的，先生们，仔细的探索这个问题。
So time, thought are the root of fear.
那么，时间和思想是恐惧的根源。
'How am I', my friend asks...
我的朋友问道：“我如何才能...
...'to stop this movement of time and thought?'
...让时间和思想的行动止息？”
The speaker says then, that's a wrong question.
讲话者于是说，这是一个错误的问题。
When you put a wrong question...
当你的问题没有提对...
...there is no answer to a wrong question.
...就没有答案可以回答。
Put the right question...
请提出恰当的问题...
...which is: do you see the fact...
...这个问题就是：你是否看得到真相...
...the actuality of time and thought?
...看到时间和思想的本来面目？
Not as an idea, but a fact...
不是一个概念，而是了悟它的本来面目...
...that what you are, you will be.
...那就是，现在的你，就是将来的你。
And if you see the fact...
那么如果你看得到这个真相...
...not the fact through an idea.
...并非通过某个想法去制造一个真相。
Do you understand?
你能够了解吗？
Our brains first capture the idea...
我们的头脑首先捕捉到一个想法...
...and then apply the idea to the fact.
然后再将这个想法加诸于这个真相。
The word 'idea' in Greek and so on...
“想法”这个词在希腊语里...
...has not only other different meanings to it...
...不但有其它的各种含义...
...but 'idea' means 'to observe'.
...而且还意指“去观察”。
Not through observation come to a conclusion...
不是通过观察获得一个结论...
...just to observe.
...而是，仅仅去观察。
When you so deeply observe...
当你深入的去观察...
...with passion, intensity...
...用你的热情，用你的注意力...
...which is to give your attention to time and thought...
...这就是将你的所有的注意力全神贯注在时间和思想上...
...then there is no fear at all.
...那么恐惧就完全消失了。
My friend says, 'At the moment...
我的朋友说，“在这一刻...
...when you are expressing this I understand it.
...当你把它这样表述出来，我能够理解它了。
Your intensity helps me.'
你的热烈帮助了我。”
But don't depend on it.
但是，请你不要去依赖它-不要依赖于我的帮助。
So find out if you have this energy...
那么来探索你是否具有这样的能量...
...the vitality, the intensity, to go to the very end of it...
...这样的活力，这样的热情，来深入到这个问题的最终点...
...to the end of the journey into fear.
...深入到这场探索恐惧的旅程的最终点。
Which means you must sustain all the time the same intensity...
这就意味着你必须由始至终的保持这样的热情...
...not slacken at any moment.
...在任何时候都不能松懈。
Go with the same intensity...
以这样的热情去探索...
...the same movement...
...同样的方式...
...until you come to the end of it.
...直到你走到旅程的最终点。
But most of us waste our energy...
但是我们大部分的人都在浪费我们的能量...
...through chattering...
...我们闲谈...
...endlessly chattering, gossiping, criticising, backbiting.
...永无休止的闲谈，聊天，批评他人，诽谤中伤。
And also wasting our energy in conflict...
也在冲突中浪费我们的能量...
...perpetual quarrels with each other.
...我们彼此无休止的争吵。
We are wasting our energy trying to 'become something'.
我们浪费我们的能量试图“成为了不起的人”。
There is no 'becoming something' at all...
其实根本没有什么“成为了不起的人”...
...there is only 'what is',
...有的仅仅是“当下如何”，
and the complete changing of 'what is'.
以及完全彻底的改变这个“当下如何”。
Then you have untold energy.
然后你就会拥有不可言传的巨大能量。
Not to do more mischief...
不是用这些能量去制造更多伤害...
...but to live a life daily...
...而是让你生活的每一天...
...with great love and compassion and intelligence.
...都充满巨大的爱和慈悲以及智慧。
I'll stop today, and we'll continue Saturday and Sunday...
那么今天我就讲到这里，我们会在周六和周日继续...
...next Saturday and Sunday...
...下周六和下周日...
...but Tuesday and Thursday I believe we are going to have questions...
...但是周二和周四我想我们会进行答问...
...that some people have sent in...
...那些问题是大家提出来的...
...and answers from the speaker.
...由讲话者来回答。
Not answers - we are going to investigate these questions together.
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