(Intimate dialogues with Krishnamurti) Memorized after the encounter--not recorded on audiotape.
(偶遇克里希纳穆提后的谈话) 不是根据录音带，而是凭记忆写出。
I met Krishnamurti on March the 23rd 1975 in San Francisco, California. I have already written about that. My last name is Feldman Gonzalez but Krishnamurti addressed me only as Dr. Gonzalez.
March 24, 1975 (Huntington Hotel - San Francisco, California)
1975年3月24日 （加州，三藩市，亨廷顿旅馆）
Krishnamurti: Sorry, I made you wait. I was doing some Hatha Yoga.
克里希纳穆提：抱歉，让你久等了。我刚才在做哈达瑜伽。
Ruben: No problem. Thank you for receiving me again. I would like to discuss the fact that you are the instructor of the world (or the Second Coming).
Ruben：没关系。谢谢您能再次见我。我想讨论一下你是世界导师的事情（或者是世界导师的再来）。
Krishnamurti: You worry about the irrelevant.
克里希纳穆提：你在为不相干的事情担心。
Ruben: It is relevant for me, because if you are the Instructor of the World, then I want to be an apostle.
Ruben: 对我来说不是不相干的，因为如果你是世界导师的话，我希望我能成为一个使徒。
Krishnamurti: There are no more apostles, Dr. Gonzalez. It is of critical urgency that human beings change radically. They have to detach themselves from the content of mankind's consciousness, they have to live without touching the stream of growing vulgarity and violence. Egocentric activity has to end, the desire for profit, power and prestige. One needs to learn to live psychologically alone, that is to be content without depending on anybody or anything.
Ruben: That they detach themselves from the content of mankind's consciousness?... then, how does one live?
Ruben：他们从人类意识内容里脱离？…那么，人怎么生活？
Krishnamurti: You don't become comatose, you don't enter into a drug or alcohol induced trance, you don't live in a state of hypnosis, nor asleep even while awake. You live in complete attention. Are you aware that observation is attention?
Krishnamurti: Observation is action. To observe totally doesn't mean to be negligent nor socially indifferent. If you observe totally, each one of your actions changes in nature. You free yourself from the choking grip of traditional memory and you also start to think sanely and freely. So there is total observation and new thought and action.
Krishnamurti: Mankind is not the same. In the last 2000 years there have been three wars every year in the world and there has been a consequent degradation of human beings, the son of humanity can not be the same.
Ruben: You are talking of the Son of Man (with capital letters) aren't you? You are talking of the Greek "uios tou antropon" (the son of man). Aren't you?
Ruben：你在说人的子孙（用大写）不是么？你说的是希腊语“uios tou antropon”（人类的子孙）。不是么？
Krishnamurti: The son of humanity is today the son of a degraded mankind. Then... what do you do?
克里希纳穆提：今天人类的子孙就是退化了的人类的子孙。那么…你该做什么呢？
Ruben: I listen to Krishnamurti.
Ruben：我倾听克里希纳穆提。
Krishnamurti: For how long?
克里希纳穆提：要听多久？
Ruben: Until I understand and radical change occurs.
Ruben:直到我理解了，并且发生了彻底的改变。
Krishnamurti: Be a light to yourself. Stop procrastination. Throw away the content of consciousness. There has to be pure consciousness, pure awareness, pure listening.
