What a lot of people, aren't there!
来的人可真多，不是吗！

I suppose we are really concerned...
我想我们是真的关心...

...with what we are talking about...
...我们将要讨论的这些事情...

...and that's why you are here.
...所以你们来到这里。

This is not, as we have often repeated, an entertainment...
我们一直反复强调，这并非是一场娱乐...

...either intellectual...
...并非什么智力游戏...

...verbal twistings and innuendoes...
...文字的周旋或者含沙射影...

...nor some romantic theories and speculations...
...更不是什么浪漫的理论或者揣测...

...and sentimental nonsense.
...也不是什么感伤的无稽之谈。

We are dealing with facts.
我们在此考虑的是事实。

As we said, facts are those which have happened...
我们曾经讲过，事实是那些已然发生...

...and that which is happening now - those are facts.
...以及正在发生的事情，-这些是事实。

And what is happening tomorrow is not a fact...
而明天将要发生的事情并非一个事实...

...or a thousand tomorrows.
...如此的一千个明天发生的事情都非事实。

We are only dealing with facts.
我们在此只考虑事实。

And if we can understand those facts profoundly...
那么如果我们能够非常深入的理解那些事实...

...not from any particular point of view...
...不是从某一个特殊的角度来看...

...or a particular bias or direction...
...不带偏见地看，没有特定指向地看...

...then perhaps we can examine the facts closely...
...那么或许我们可以做到细致地检查这些事实...

...carefully...
...一丝不苟地...

...and not only superficially...
...不但作表层的理解...

...but also profoundly, deeply.
...更要深入地，深刻地理解它。

As we have been saying during these talks...
正如我们在讲话里一直在说的...

...we are taking a journey together, you and the speaker...
...我们将共同踏上这段旅程，你和讲话者...

...a very long, wide journey...
...这将是一段漫长，宽广的旅程...

...not into the future, but into the present.
...它不通向未来，只着眼现在。

The present, as we pointed out, contains all time.
现在，象我们已经指出的，包含了所有的时间。

The present is not only the past...
现在不但是过去一切...

...all the memories, all the incidents...
...所有的记忆，所有储存在大脑中...

...stored in the brain, recorded...
...发生过的事件，所有记录下的内容...

...but that past is now also.
...而且那个过去就是现在。

It is fairly obvious.
这是相当明显的事实。

And the future is what is now.
而且未来即是现在。

The future will be exactly...
未来将完完全全...

...perhaps slightly modified...
...或许有些微的调整...

...is in the present, in the now.
...就是现在的样子，是此刻的样子。

So what one is now...
那么，一个人现在的样子...

...one will be tomorrow, a thousand tomorrows.
...也会是他明天的样子，也会是他一千个明天的样子。

And if there is no fundamental radical psychological revolution...
那么如果没有一场根本的,颠覆性的心理革命...

...not evolution...
...不是一场进化...

...a revolution...
...而是一场革命...

...a mutation, deep fundamental change...
...一场突变，深刻彻底的改变...

...tomorrow will be exactly what we are now.
...明天将保持一成不变，和现在完全一样。

So all time, the past, the present and the future...
所以，所有的时间，过去，现在和未来...

...is contained in the now.
...都包含于此刻。

This is not a theory, not a speculative...
这并非一个理论，并非什么推理...

...philosophical concept, but an actuality.
...并非哲学概念，而是事实的本来面目。

If one looks at oneself very carefully...
如果一个人能够非常仔细地观看自身...

...what is happening...
...究竟正在发生什么...

...what is happening now is what we have carried...
...现在正在发生的就是我们所背负的...

...through thousands and thousands of years...
...经过上千年的时间...

...psychologically, and both biologically also.
...在心理上背负的，同时也是在生理上背负的。

And that burden of the past...
这个来自过往的重担...

...with all its memories, experiences, knowledge...
...它承载着所有的记忆，所有的经验和知识...

...is now, is what we are now.
...它就是现在，就是我们当下这一刻的全部。

And we will be tomorrow what we are now.
并且明天的我们仍会是我们今天的样子。

So, please, the now contains all time.
所以，请你们注意，现在包含了一切时间。

And in relation to that, what is action?
那么与此相关的，什么是行动？

And it is a fact that all time...
如果我们已经认清这个事实，所有的时间...

...is in the now, in the present...
...都存在于现在这一刻，存在于当下...

...what then is action?
...那么什么是行动?

You understand? Can we go along with this for a while?
你们能理解吗?我们是否应该继续讨论一下这个话题?

Please, we are investigating together...
请你明白，我们是在共同探索这个问题...

...the speaker is not instructing or informing.
...讲话者并非在教导或者告知。

We are together, you and the speaker are investigating...
我们一起，你和讲话者共同来探索...

...exploring, examining, not analysing.
...深入的探究，检查，而并非分析。

There is a difference between analysis and perception.
分析和觉察是不同的。

Analysis implies an analyser...
分析意味着会存在一个分析者...

...the analyser is the past...
...那个分析者即是过去...

...and he is examining the present, what is happening now.
...而他却在检查现在，检视现在正在发生的事情。

What is happening now...
正在发生的一切...

...or what is psychologically taking place...
...或者说在心理上正在发生的一切...

...is what the observer has been, or is.
...就是观察者已然成为的样子，或者说是观察者现在的样子。

Are we together in this?
我们都能理解这一点吗？

The observer, the analyser...
观察者，分析者...

...is the result of a great many...
...是许多的，积累下的...

...accumulations of information, knowledge, incidents, experiences...
...信息，知识，事件和经验的结果...

...so the analyser is examining that which is happening now...
...所以这样的分析者在检视，现在发生的一切...

...or examining that which has happened. Right?
...或者说，检查究竟发生了什么。是这样吗？

So the analyser is the analysed, which is the present.
所以说，分析者即被分析之物，即现在的一切。

Am I talking to myself...
我在自言自语吗...

...or are we somewhat together in this matter?
...或者我们或多或少地在共同讨论这个问题?

I think this is rather an important question to understand...
我认为，理解这个问题至关重要...

...because when we divide the analyser...
...因为当我们分离出一个分析者...

...as something separate from the analysed...
...将他与被分析之物分离开...

...then in that process of division...
...那么在这个分离的过程中...

...there is contradiction, there is conflict...
...就会存在矛盾，就会存在冲突...

...either there is suppression...
...这或者是一种抑制的活动...

...or examination as something outside.
...再或者仿佛是从外部对所分析之物进行检视。

But the analyser is the analysed.
但是，分析者即被分析之物。

When one is violent, when there is violence...
当一个人充满了暴力，当暴力存在...

...and you analyse violence...
...然后你分析这暴力...

...one can very easily analyse violence...
...分析暴力是非常简单的事情...

...from the distant cousins, the apes...
...作为远房的表兄妹去分析，人类从人猿...

...until now...
...直到今天...

...we have inherited all the violence...
...我们已经继承了所有的暴力...

...of all the thousand years of continuity of violence, and so on.
...千年以来无休无止的暴力，等等。

We can easily examine and analyse violence.
我们很容易就可以检查和分析暴力。

Is violence different from the examiner, the analyser?
暴力本身与检查者，分析者有别吗？

Is not the analyser also part of that violence? Right?
难道分析者不正是这暴力的一部分吗？对不对？

So the analyser is the analysed...
所以说，分析者即被分析之物...

...it is not something separate from the analyser...
...被分析之物与分析者是不分的...

...therefore there is no division...
...因此分别是不存在的...

...between the analysis and the analyser, they are one.
...被分析之物与分析者不二，两者本为一物。

And when we understand that...
那么当我们理解这一点...

...conflict exists only when there is division...
...只有当分别存在时，冲突才会存在...

...division between your ambition and somebody else's ambition...
...你的野心与其他人的野心之间的分别...

...division between you and your wife, your husband...
...你和你的妻子之间的分别，和丈夫间的分别...

...your neighbour and so on, division brought about...
...和邻居间的分别，等等，分别贯穿于...

...through nationalities, through religions and so on...
...国家之间，宗教之间，等等...

...not only psychologically but linguistically also, and so on.
...这种分别不但是心理上的，同时也是语言上的，等等。

So the analyser is the analysed, and so we said...
所以，分析者即被分析之物，正如我们刚才说的...

...we are not analysing...
...我们并非在分析...

...we are perceiving directly.
...我们直接地看到。

Is this somewhat clear for us, can we go on from there?
这听起来清晰吗？我们可以就此继续吗？

I wish one could talk this over together quite simply...
我希望我们能够共同，非常简单地来探讨...

...not you sitting there and the speaker sitting on a platform...
...而不是你坐在那里，讲话者坐在讲坛上...

...but two friends looking at the whole problem of existence...
...而是两个朋友共同面对生存的问题...

...amicably, in a sense of affection and care...
...以友善的态度，带着爱和关注...

...looking at all this travail of man, the travail of each one...
...面对人类的所有的艰辛，面对每一个人的艰辛...

...it would be very simple to do that, have a good dialogue.
...这样做会非常简单，我们进行一场很好的对话。

But when there are so many people here...
但是当这里有如此之多的人...

...that is not possible, unfortunately.
...很可惜，这样的对话是不可能的。

But you as a person and the speaker...
但是作为你个人，你和这个讲话者...

...can think together...
...能够共同来思考...

...not along any particular line...
...不是遵循某一线路...

...or a particular point of view...
...不是心怀某一种观点...

...or strengthen one's own opinion which becomes obstinacy...
...也不是固执地强调某个人自己的观点...

...but rather as two friends...
...而是作为两个朋友...

...who have known each other for some time...
...已经彼此了解了一段时间了...

...not only understand the verbal significance but go beyond the words.
...不仅仅了解话语的重要性，而且能够超越语言。

If we could do that together...
如果我们可以一起这样做...

...then perception becomes very easy, to perceive.
...那么觉察将是很简单的事情，一起去觉察。

Not I perceive and the speaker is persuading you...
并非我来觉察，讲话者在说服你...

...to perceive in a particular way, to perceive.
...以某一种特别的方式去觉察。

In that perception...
在那样的觉察中...

...you and the speaker disappear...
...你和讲话者都消失了...

...because we are only perceiving...
...因为我们只是单纯地在觉察...

...but when there is a motive for that perception, a direction...
...但是如果一个动机在觉察中升起，一种方向出现...

...a sense of bigotry, obstinacy...
...一种偏执，固执感出现...

...then perception is distorted...
...那么觉察就被扭曲了...

...therefore you perceive differently from another.
...因此你就会产生与别人不同的觉察。

I hope this is clear.
我希望这是清楚的。

So we are asking, when all time...
所以我们询问，当所有的时间...

...is in the present, now, which is a fact...
...都存在于现在这一刻，这一点是事实...

...not an abstraction or an ideology...
...并非抽象的概念或者意识形态...

...or some ideal, but it is a fact...
...或者某种理想，而是一个事实...

...and when there is that fact what then is action?
...当我们认清这个事实，那么究竟什么是行动？

You understand?
你们明白吗？

This is an important question to understand.
理解这个问题非常重要。

We are also going to talk over together not only that...
不仅如此，我们还将共同...

...but also the whole problem of becoming...
...讨论整个变成的问题...

...psychologically.
...心理上的想变成的问题。

And what is action in relation to that becoming?
行动和心理上想变成的想法有什么关系？

And also if we have time we are going to talk over together suffering...
并且如果有时间的话，我们也将共同探讨苦难...

...and perhaps, which is part of life, of our daily life - death...
...或许还有我们生活的一部分，日常生活的一部分-死亡...

...death not as a morbid incident...
...死亡并非什么恐怖的事件...

...but an extraordinarily important problem in one's life.
...而是我们人生当中至关重要的一件事情。

So we are going to talk over together...
所以我们将共同探讨...

...action, daily action...
...行动，每一天的行动...

...and the question of becoming.
...以及变成的问题。

And in that becoming we all want to be secure.
在那个变成的想法中我们都想获得安全。

Security is very essential to all of us.
安全对我们所有人来说都是必需的。

The brain cannot function fully...
我们的头脑无法充分地运作...

...with all its capacity energy and drive...
...无法发挥它所有的能力所有的能量和动力...

...if the brain is not completely secure.
...如果大脑无法处于彻底的安全之中。

Right?
是不是？

No?
不是？

If one is confused, uncertain...
如果一个人感到困惑和不确定...

...with a thousand problems...
...头脑中充满了一千个问题..

...how can the brain be secure?
...他的大脑如何能够安全?

If you have many, many illusions, as most people do...
如果你头脑中充满了各种幻想，正如大部分人一样...

...the brain becomes then rattled, uncertain, confused.
...头脑就会慌乱，不确定，迷惑。

So the brain to function efficiently...
所以大脑要想有效地运作...

...not only technologically...
...不但是技术上...

...but much more seriously which is psychologically...
...而且更重要是在心理上...

...the brain needs extraordinary stability...
...大脑需要非同寻常的稳定性...

...the brain needs to be absolutely clear...
...大脑需要有绝对的清晰...

...firm, unshakeable.
...坚定，毫不动摇。

And we are going to go into all that if you have the patience.
那么如果你们有足够的耐心,我们将深入探讨这所有的一切。

And if you are not interested...
如果你对此并不感兴趣...

...because you are interested in so many things...
...因为你已经对那么多的事情感兴趣了...

...boating, driving, interested in reading a book...
...驾船出海，驾车出游，对阅读一本书感兴趣...

...but giving attention...
...但是投入注意力...

...which is totally different from interest.
...是与兴趣完全不同的。

Most of us, perhaps almost all of us...
我们大部分人，可能几乎是所有的人...

...are attempting to become something psychologically.
...都试图在心理上变成什么。

Outwardly, externally...
从表面上，从外部...

...you can understand...
...你能够理解...

...a student becoming an engineer.
...比如一个学生变成一个工程师。

He becomes an engineer, earns a livelihood...
他变成一个工程师，以此谋生...

...and keeps becoming more and more expert in engineering.
...并且在工程领域变得越来越专业。

And psychologically we have the same concept...
在心理上，我们有相同的概念...

...that I am this now...
...现在我是这个样子...

...but I will become that.
...但是我会变成那个样子。

Yes?
是这样吗？

Somebody I will talk to, right?
那个和我对话的人，是这样吗？

Don't agree with the speaker: question, doubt...
不要赞同这个讲话者：提出问题，质疑...

...don't follow anybody...
...不要对任何人言听计从...

...psychologically...
...心理上不要依赖...

...of course you have to follow a doctor's instructions if you are ill.
...当然当你生病时你要听从医生的指导。

But psychologically, inwardly...
但是心理上，内心世界...

...to obey any kind of authority...
...去听从任何一种权威...

...any kind of expert, professional...
...任何一种专家，任何一种专业人士...

...destroys the integrity...
...都将会摧毁完整性...

...of one's own perception.
...一个人自己觉察的完整性。

Psychologically we are all attempting to become something.
心理上，我们都试图变成什么。

Right? That is an obvious fact.
是不是？这是一个显而易见的事实。

One is greedy, or violent...
一个人，他贪婪，或者充满暴力...

...and one is trying not to be, that is to become.
...于是他试图不贪婪，不暴力，这就是心理上想变成的活动。

There are wars...
因为发生了战争...

...and through United Nations and all those organisations...
...所以通过联合国以及所有那些组织...

...we are trying to unify the world...
...我们试图统一世界...

...to become something in the future.
...试图在将来变成另外的样子。

I won't go into the contradictory nature...
我不会深入探讨想要把不同的国家...

...of various nations becoming united, which is impossible...
...统一在一起这件事情的矛盾本质，那是不可能的...

...but that is the political activity...
...但是那确是一些人的政治行为...

...of those who are concerned...
...那些人关注他们自己的野心...

...with their own ambitions, the perpetuation of particular systems.
...关注他们各自所属的特定体制的不朽。

But one can see that...
但是每个人都可以看出...

...there is always an attempt...
...人们总是试图...

...on the part of each one of us...
...我们每个人都是这样...

...that we want to change from this to that.
...我们想要从这样改变成那样。

The 'that', the future, is in time, far away or very near...
这个“那样”，这个未来的描述，是在时间里的，无论远近...

...but it is still a movement of becoming...
...它都是一种变成的活动...

...gaining, losing, getting reward or punishment.
...获得，失去，得到回报或者受到惩罚。

This whole process of becoming...
这整个变成的过程...

...always with the intention...
...永远都伴随着目的...

...with the motive, the better, the more...
...伴随着动机，想要变得更好，想要获得更多...

...the gain, the fear of loss.
...想要得到，害怕失去。

That's clear.
这是明了的事实。

Now is it a fact that...
那么事实是否是...

...to become something involves time?
...想要变成就牵扯到了时间？

Right?
是不是？

I am this now but give me a year...
我现在是这个样子，但是请给我一年...

...or two days - I will be different.
...或者两天-我将变得不同。

Which is, time is involved...
那么时间就介入了...

...but that time is now. You understand?
...但是那个时间就是现在。你们明白吗？

The future is now.
未来就是现在。

Is this a puzzle? Q: Yes.
这是一个难题吗？问：是的。

K: Yes? I am glad! Then we can go more slowly into it.
克：是个难题？我很高兴！那么我们慢慢来深入探讨。

As we said, sir, we are the past. Right?
如我们提到的，先生，我们就是过去。是不是？

All our memories which have been recorded in the brain...
我们所有的记忆都存储在我们的大脑当中...

...all that we have done...
...我们所做过的一切...

...not only fifty years ago but yesterday...
...不但包括五十年前的事情，也包括昨天的事情..

...so the past is now.
...所以，过去就是现在...

Right?
是不是？

And what is now...
那么现在...

...if there is not a radical change...
...如果现在没有一个根本性的改变...

...will be tomorrow, which is time.
...现在就会是明天，也就是时间。

The future is therefore in the now. Right?
因此未来就在现在当中。是不是？

So where is becoming then?
那么究竟哪里有什么变成呢？

You are following?
能听懂吗？

Please, this is really fascinating...
请你明白，这是非常令人着迷的...

...very serious.
...非常严肃的事情。

We are accustomed to the idea of evolution.
我们已经习惯于进化的理论了。

That is, man has reached the stage now...
也就是说，人类已经进入一个阶段...

...after forty, fifty or a million years ago...
...经过四十，五十或者一百万年的进化...

...our brain has evolved from the ape...
...我们的头脑已经从猿的头脑...

...until we are now so-called civilised people...
...进化到我们现在称作所谓文明人的头脑了...

...which I question, but that doesn't matter.
...我置疑这一点，但是那也无关紧要。

And that has taken immense time.
这个过程耗费了无数时间。

That time of forty thousand years is now...
那四万年的时间就是现在...

...because what you are now.
...因为它就是现在的你。

And the future is what you are now...
未来也是现在你的样子...

...perhaps slightly modified...
...或许有些微的调整...

...but the future is also in the now.
...但是，未来仍然包含在现在当中。

So unless there is a radical change now...
所以除非现在就发生一个根本的改变...

...the future will be what you have been, tomorrow.
...否则未来即是你已经成为的样子，明天你还是那样子。

It is simple enough.
这是足够简单的事实。

Now don't let's beat the dead horse, it is clear.
那么我们不要再重鞭抽死马了，这已经足够清晰了。

If it isn't clear think it out if you have the time and the inclination...
如果你仍然不清楚，当你有时间和意愿时把它想明白吧...

...you know, all the rest of it, if not, drop it.
...你知道，把剩下的想明白，如果没有时间或意愿，丢开它。

Probably you will, which is most convenient and easy.
或许你就此放弃，因为那么做极其方便和简单。

But if you are interested...
但是如果你感兴趣...

...if you really want to discover for yourself...
...如果你真的想要自己去揭示...

...a radical psychological, deep change...
...什么是心理上根本的改变...

...that change cannot have time.
...这样的改变不能有时间的存在。

It must happen now. Clear?
它必须在现在这一刻发生。明白吗？

If you have got toothache, pain, you don't say...
如果你感到牙痛，疼痛感，你不会说...

...'I'll wait until next week, it is part of evolution'...
...“我会等到下周再说，这是进化的一部分”...

...and all the rest of it, there is instant action.
...诸如此类都是说辞，你必须在现在这一刻立即采取行动。

So if we don't realise the danger...
所以如果我们不能马上意识到危险...

...of allowing time to interfere with action...
...让时间来干涉行动的危险...

...then that action breeds...
...那么这样的行动将造成...

...all kinds of complications, obviously.
...各种各样的复杂情况，这是显而易见的。

So our question is this...
所以我们要问的是...

...the brain to function efficiently...
...大脑若想有效地运转...

...clearly, without any kind of confusion...
...清晰明澈，不带任何的困惑...

...must understand what is security...
...它必须明白什么是安全...

...what is stability...
...什么是稳定...

...a sense of firmness...
...一种坚定感...

...so that it is not wishy-washy, wobbling all over the place...
...所以那将不是一个缺乏信心，随时摇摆不定的大脑...

...as most brains are. Right?
...众人往往拥有那样的大脑。是不是？

So we must examine if there is any security at all...
所以我们必须来检视究竟是否存在着安全...

...psychologically.
...心理上的安全。

Of course we must have security physically...
当然生理上的安全是必须的...

...which is becoming more and more difficult for economic reasons...
...但是因为经济上的原因这已经是越来越困难的事情了...

...and those economic reasons are: each country thinks...
...那些经济上的原因是：每一个国家都认为...

...my economy first...
...我们的经济利益是第一位的...

...as each person thinks, me first.
...正如每个人认为，我的经济利益是第一位的。

The economic situation of the world is very serious...
当今世界的经济形势是非常严峻的...

...they tell you everyday about it...
...人们每天都在谈论这样的事情...

...on the television, if you have observed...
...如果你观察到，电视上是这样...

...or in the newspapers...
...报纸上是这样...

...and they are trying to solve these problems...
...并且人们试图解决这些问题...

...and they have not succeeded so far, and they never will...
...直到现在问题也没有解决，他们永远也无法解决...

...because each group, each community...
...因为每个团体，每个社会...

...each nation thinks...
...每个国家都认为...

...they are something separate from the rest of the world.
...他们是独立于世界的其他部分而存在的。

Therefore the economic situation...
因此，经济的形势...

...becomes very limited, small, ineffectual.
...变得非常局限，狭小和缺乏效率。

It is the concern of the rest of humanity...
这是关系到全人类的事情...

...everybody throughout the world...
...遍布全球的每一个人...

...desires to be secure...
...都渴望安全...

...physically, economically...
...身体上的，经济上的...

...and that is not possible when there are wars...
...而这是不可能实现的，只要仍然存在战争...

...the threat of war...
...存在着战争的威胁...

...when there is division as religious divisions...
...存在宗教派别间的界分...

...national divisions, ideological differences...
...存在国家之间的分别，意识形态上的差异...

...dialectical dissection of history...
...存在对历史辩证的解析...

...coming to a conclusion...
...只要存在某种结论...

...as Marx, Engles, Lenin and Stalin on one side...
...如马克思，恩格斯，列宁和斯大林保持一种立场...

...and on the other side Democratic, and so on.
...民主主义者又保持另一种立场，等等的这一切。

I know you will get bored with this...
我知道你会觉得这些非常无聊...

...but unless we radically change this narrow pattern...
...但是除非我们能够根本改变这种狭隘的模式...

...we are going to have more and more wars...
...我们将会面临越来越多的战争...

...economic problems, it is becoming more and more dangerous.
...经济上的问题，正变得越来越危险...

It's up to you.
这一切都决定于你。

And all this can end only when you drop your own particular...
所有这一切的结束，只有当你放下你特定的分别想法...

...conditioning as an American, Russian, Indian...
...不再局限于是否一个美国人，或者俄国人，印度人...

...French and British and so on...
...法国人或者英国人等等...

...so that we are one humanity...
...那么我们是同一个人类...

...as our consciousness is the rest of humanity.
...正如我们的意识也是整个人类的意识。

I have gone into that, I won't go into it now.
我们已经探讨过这一点，所以我们现在不再深入进去。

So the brain can only be stable...
所以要想使大脑处在稳定的状态...

...have complete security...
...拥有完全的安全...

...when we understand the whole process of becoming.
...就必须理解变成的整个过程。

Becoming implies duality...
变成意味着二元性...

...and where there is duality...
...只要存在二元性...

...there must be conflict...
...就必然存在冲突...

...the Arab and the Jew, the Muslim and the Hindu...
...阿拉伯人和犹太人，穆斯林和印度人...

...the Catholic and the Protestant...
...天主教徒与新教徒...

...the perpetual state of conflict human beings live in.
...人类永恒的处在冲突之中。

So where there is becoming...
所以只要存在变成的想法...

...there is duality and therefore conflict.
...就会存在二元性，就会存在冲突。

And the brain cannot perpetually live in conflict...
大脑无法永远生活在冲突当中...

...it then becomes neurotic, psychotic...
...于是它变得神经质，变得精神失常...

...and pursues every kind of illusion...
...然后追逐各种各样的幻象...

...and therefore the multiplication of psychologists, therapeutists...
...于是由此产生了不计其数的心理学家，心理治疗师...

...and psychiatrists, you know they are multiplying all over the world.
...还有精神分析学家，你知道他们在世界各地不断增加。

I am sorry, there are psychologists here!
很抱歉，我想在座有的是心理学家吧！

So to see that fact, not the idea of the fact...
所以要看到这个事实，而非把事实当成一种概念...

...you understand the difference?
...你明白两者的不同吗?

One sees the fact and one then makes an abstraction of it...
当一个人看到这个事实，随之又将这个事实抽象化了...

...which is called the idea of it...
...这个抽象化的就是概念...

...and we pursue the idea and not the fact.
...我们往往追随概念而非事实本身。

Right? Are we together in this?
是不是？我们能够保持同步码？

So we must be very clear in this matter, we are dealing with fact...
所以我们必须对此保持绝对的清醒，我们要面对的是事实...

...not with the idea, the symbol of the fact...
...而非概念，事实的某种象征...

...or the word of the fact.
...或者代表事实的词语。

When you see the fact...
当你看到这个事实...

...that time is not the solution...
...时间不是解决办法...

...or brings about a radical change...
...时间不能带来根本的改变...

...then you are stuck with the fact.
...然后你就与事实同在了。

Right?
是不是？

You are with the fact.
你就和事实在一起了。

And the fact is not different from you, you are the fact.
并且这个事实和你是不二的，你即事实。

You are the fact that you are violent...
你就是事实：你是充满暴力的...

...brutish, thoughtless, anxious...
...你是粗野的，轻率的，焦虑的...

...and all the rest of it...
...诸如此类的种种...

...the whole content of one's consciousness...
...一个人意识当中的全部内容...

...which is in a turmoil, constantly in conflict...
...即混乱，即无休止的冲突...

...like the consciousness of every human being in the world.
...正如世界上每一个人类的意识一样。

So we are essentially all humanity...
所以本质上，我们就是所有的人类...

...each one of us is all humanity.
...我们每一个人都是整个人类。

And if you change, not tomorrow...
那么如果你改变，不是明天...

...there is no time...
...已经没有时间了...

...time is the enemy of change...
...时间是改变的敌人...

...I wish you could realise this.
...我希望你们能够意识到这一点。

Do consider it seriously please, if you are at all serious.
请你一定要严肃地考虑这一点，如果你真的是认真的。

Then what is action?
那么什么是行动？

If there is only all time contained now...
如果只有这个包含一切时间的现在...

...then what is action in the now?
...那么在现在的行动是什么呢？

You understand my question?
你们明白我的问题吗？

Are you puzzled a little bit? Q: Yes.
你们是不是有点迷惑？问：是的。

K: Good!
克：好的！

So we can explore more.
那么我们可以再深入一些。

What is action?
什么是行动？

Every day action, going to the office, going to the factory...
每天的行动，去办公室，去工厂上班...

...talking to your wife or husband...
...和你的妻子或者丈夫谈话...

...rowing, walking, jumping...
...划船，散步，跳跃...

...chasing ideas, or chasing gurus, which is the same thing.
...追逐各种观点，或者追随上师，其实两者是一样的。

You are acting. Life is action...
你在行动着。生命就是行动...

...as relationship is action.
...正如人与人的关系也是行动。

So what is action?
那么，什么是行动？

Our action is based on reward and punishment...
我们的行动是基于奖惩机制的...

...to put it very, very simply.
...如果非常非常简单的概括的话。

Right? I like life if I can get something out of it.
是不是？我能够享受人生，如果我能从中获得一些什么。

And I will be punished if I don't act rightly...
并且如果我的行为不正确，我将受到惩罚...

...therefore I attempt to act rightly.
...因此我试图正确地行动。

So our action is based on reward and punishment...
所以我们的行动是建立于赏罚制度之上的...

...our action is based on some futuristic concept, on an ideal...
...我们的行动是基于某种未来化的概念或理想的...

...and action according to that ideal, conforming...
...依据理想行动，顺从于它...

...adjusting to that ideal therefore conflict.
...依照理想调整行动，因此冲突便产生了。

All our action has a motive...
我们所有的行动都带有某个动机...

...a direction, selfish generally...
...某个方向，总是自私的...

...self-interest, self-concern...
...自己的利益，自己关心的事情...

...which is reward and punishment...
...也就是奖励和惩罚...

...a reward in the future...
...未来将获得的奖励...

...if I do this I will get that. Right?
...如果我这么做，我就会获得那个。是不是？

And if I don't it I might lose...
如果我不做，就会有所失...

...therefore the fear of losing.
...因此产生害怕失去的想法。

So our action is always in this area of gain and reward...
所以我们的行动一直围绕着获得和奖励...

...punishment and fear. Right?
...惩罚和恐惧。是不是？

Reward is always in the future.
回报永远存在于未来。

Punishment also might happen in the future.
惩罚同样可能在未来出现。

So there is never action per se. You understand?
所以从来就没有单纯的行动。你明白吗？

Action for itself.
纯然的行动本身。

Like a good carpenter who will make you...
就像一个出色的木匠为你制作...

...a marvellous cabinet, the love of it itself...
...一个不同凡响的壁橱，出于对制作本身的爱...

...not the reward, the punishment, the gain.
...而非什么回报，惩罚或者获得。

So action in relation to time breeds conflict.
所以当时间介入行动，就滋生了冲突。

Right? This is clear?
是不是？这样说清楚吗？

And is there action which is for itself?
那么是否存在纯然的行动呢？

Is love the action in itself?
爱是纯然的行动吗？

Not the love that has jealousy, hate, amusement...
不是那种爱，有嫉妒，仇恨，取悦...

...fun and excitement, sex, pleasure...
...娱乐和刺激，性，快感的那种爱...

...love is not all that surely.
...爱当然不是以上的那些。

You see when there is love there is action without conflict.
你看，如果有了爱，自然会有毫无冲突的行动。

And love is not a slave to time.
并且，爱绝非时间的奴隶。

So there it is.
就是这样。

If you can understand that, explain and deeply grasp the truth of it...
如果你能够理解，诠释，深入地掌握其中的真理...

...then the brain becomes extraordinarily vital, strong...
...那么大脑将变得无与伦比的活力充沛和强大...

...not confused in any way...
...毫无困惑...

...because then you are living now completely...
...因为那样你将完完全全活在现在...

...fear of the future and the past disappear.
...对未来和过往的恐惧已经烟消云散。

We ought also to talk over together...
我们还应该一起来探讨...

...the question of suffering...
...人类苦难的问题...

...which is part of our life.
...苦难是生活的一部分。

There isn't a single human being in the world...
这个世界上没有哪一个人...

...not a single human being...
...没有任何一个人...

...whether he is in a monastery...
...无论他是身居修道院中...

...or a monk in the Himalayas...
...或者是喜马拉雅山深处的僧侣...

...a man in the street, and you...
...大街上的某个人，还有你...

...and every human being on earth suffers.
...这个地球上的每一个人类都遭受痛苦。

And we make others suffer.
并且我们使他人痛苦。

That's our cycle.
我们如此循环往复。

And there is the suffering brought about by war.
战争会带来痛苦。

Wars have existed for six, seven or ten thousand years.
战争已经存在了六千，七千又或者一万年了。

And during that long duration of time, killing each other...
在这个漫长的时间段里，人类互相残杀...

...in the name of god, in the name of peace, in the name of gain...
...以上帝的名义，以和平的名义，以获利的名义...

...and profit and so on...
...为了获得利益等等...

...man has brought upon himself and others...
...人类已经给其自身和他人...

...great sorrow, tears.
...带来了巨大的悲痛，无尽的泪水。

There isn't one human being who has not cried...
没有任何一个人类是不曾落泪的...

...shed tears...
...人们流下泪水...

...and the pain of loss.
...还有失去的痛苦。

Millions maimed because we are so conditioned...
数百万的人伤残，因为我们是如此局限...

...to stick to our own...
...因为我们坚持...

...particular point of view...
...各自不同的观点...

...to our own particular religion...
...坚持各自不同的宗教...

...to our own particular ideology...
...坚持我们各自不同的意识形态...

...I believe and I hold to that.
...我信仰它，并且抓住不放。

And you believe something contrary...
那么如果你的信仰与我的相反...

...therefore I am willing to kill you.
...我将愿意因此杀死你。

This is going on.
这就是正在发生的事情。

The Russian ideology, the democratic ideology...
俄国的意识形态，民主的意识形态...

...and they are willing to kill each other...
...他们因此愿意彼此杀戮...

...blow each other to smithereens.
...将对方粉身碎骨。

And this has been going on...
这样的局面延续着...

...for thousands upon thousands of years...
...已经长达成千上万年了...

...protecting my country, my god, my...
...为了保卫我的国家，我的上帝，我的...

...oh, not here, there is no king here!
...哦，这里没有，这里没有国王！

This is very serious, sir, you may laugh it off...
这是非常严肃的事情，先生，你可能一笑置之...

...but if one's wife or husband, son is destroyed by war...
...但是如果一个人的妻子，丈夫或者儿子被战争毁掉了...

...then you will know what it means.
...那么你就明白了这意味着什么。

We all know what it means but yet we go on...
我们都明白那意味着什么，但是我们一如既往...

...in the same old pattern.
...继续着旧有的模式。

And so there is the sorrow of mankind...
所以这就是人类的悲伤...

...the sorrow of humanity.
...人性的悲哀。

And also what we think is our own particular sorrow...
并且，我们考虑的是我们各自不同的特定悲伤...

...my son is dead...
...我的儿子死了...

...my wife has left me...
...我的妻子离开了我...

...there is the sorrow...
...当我看到有人受苦...

...of seeing another suffer...
...我感到悲伤...

...the sorrow of those who can never read or write...
...为那些从来无法阅读和写作的人感到悲伤...

...those who are extraordinarily poor.
...为那些赤贫的人感到悲伤。

All that is sorrow...
所有的那些都是悲伤...

...not only the sorrow of mankind...
...不但是全人类的悲伤...

...but also the sorrow of each one.
...而且是每个人各自的悲伤。

Each one thinks, it is my sorrow, not yours.
每个人都认为，这是我的悲伤，不是你的悲伤。

But sorrow is sorrow...
但是悲伤就是悲伤...

...not yours or mine, it is sorrow.
...并非你的或我的，悲伤就是悲伤。

To understand this requires...
要明白这一点...

...freedom to observe, to perceive...
...需要观察的自由，要去觉察...

...but we have become so individualistic...
...但是我们已经变得如此个人主义...

...so narrow, so small...
...如此狭隘，如此渺小...

...we reduce everything to our own limited backyard.
...我们把一切都缩减并塞入我们狭小的后院中。

Sorrow is sorrow of all humanity...
悲伤是全人类的悲伤...

...it is not yours or mine.
...不是你的或者我的。

And one asks: can that sorrow ever end?
那么有人问：那样的悲伤可以结束吗？

Or it is the lot of human beings...
又或者它是人类的命运...

...to kill nature, animals...
...我们一定要破坏自然，杀害动物...

...to kill each other?
...彼此杀戮吗？

Not only kill verbally...
我们不仅仅用言辞杀人...

...kill by a gesture...
...用手势杀人...

...kill millions with one bomb...
...用一颗炸弹杀死成百万的人...

...destroy millions and millions.
...无以计数的人被毁掉了。

So all this is sorrow.
所以所有这些都是悲伤。

And sorrow of disease, pain...
还有疾病带来的悲伤，疼痛...

...sorrow of not gaining, losing...
...无法获得的悲伤，失去的悲伤...

...take all that in, it isn't just the sorrow of my son dying.
...所有的都考虑在内，不仅仅只是我死去儿子的痛苦。

Can this sorrow ever end?
这样的悲伤可以最终结束吗？

Sorrow is not sentimental...
悲伤并非多愁善感...

...sorrow is not something romantic...
...悲伤并非什么浪漫的事情...

...it is a dreadful thing.
...它是可怕的事情。

It is something that is so directly...
它直接关系到...

...concerned with every human being...
...每一个人类...

...the loneliness of sorrow...
...来自悲伤的孤立无援...

...the pain of it...
...来自它的痛苦...

...the anxiety and so on.
...来自它的焦虑，等等。

Can all that end?
这一切可能结束吗？

Probably we have never asked that question...
或许我们从未问过这个问题...

...we have never faced it...
...我们从未直面过它...

...we all want to escape from it...
...我们都想从中逃离...

...take a drug in order not to suffer...
...我们服药但求没有痛苦...

...get drunk...
...我们醉酒...

...escape...
...逃避...

...because we never actually have faced the problem...
...因为我们从未直面过那个问题...

...the seriousness of it...
...那个问题的严肃性...

...that is, to give our complete attention to sorrow.
...那就是，将我们全部的注意力都投注其中。

Not veil it through words, through some kind of speculative hope...
不文过饰非，不用虚假的希望蒙蔽自己...

...and so on...
...等等...

...but actually live with it...
...而是真正与它共处...

...without becoming morbid.
...却不因此而变得病态。

That is to give one's whole complete attention to it.
那就是将一个人完整充沛的注意力全神贯注于其中。

Attention is like a fire...
注意力就像火焰...

...when that attention is there...
...当那样的注意力存在...

...that thing which is sorrow, the loneliness...
...悲伤，孤独...

...the pain, the anxiety, the tears...
...痛苦，焦虑和眼泪...

...when there is that complete attention all that goes, disappears.
...都将在那样全然的注意力中消失无踪。

Attention is a flame.
注意力是熊熊的火焰。

Sorrow, the root meaning of that word, is also passion.
悲伤，这个词的本意，也指热情。

The ending of sorrow is passion, not lust.
终结悲伤的是热情，而非欲望。

And we never have passion...
然而我们从没有热情...

...we want pleasure.
...我们只求愉悦自我。

Passion is something extraordinarily different.
热情是完全不同的东西。

Where there is the ending of sorrow there is passion...
当悲伤结束，热情便产生了...

...it is not your passion or my passion, it is passion.
...它并非你的或者我的热情，它就是热情。

And that's part of love.
并且它是爱的一部分。

Where there is love there is compassion.
当爱存在时，就会有慈悲。

And where there is this extraordinary passion of compassion...
当那不同凡响的慈悲的热情存在时...

...there is intelligence...
...智慧就产生了...

...and that intelligence acts...
...那样的智慧是有行动力的...

...that intelligence is not yours, or mine, or X, Y, Z's.
...那样的智慧不是你的或者我的，或者甲乙丙丁的。

And if we have time...
那么如果我们有时间...

...we ought to talk over together...
...我们应该一起探讨...

...a very serious problem, which is death.
...一个非常严肃的问题，死亡。

On a lovely morning like this...
在今天这样一个美好的早晨...

...to talk about death seems absurd.
...谈论死亡似乎是荒谬的。

I wonder if we can talk first about beauty.
我想我们可以先来探讨一下美。

What is beauty?
什么是美？

My friend says, 'I am not interested in that...
我的朋友说，“我对此不感兴趣...

...beauty doesn't much matter.'
...美没有什么重要的。”

Where there is love there is beauty...
当爱存在，美就存在...

...freedom, goodness...
...自由和善良就存在...

...which has been one of the problems of humanity...
...这些都是人类面临的问题...

...freedom, justice, goodness.
...自由，公正，善良。

Where there is love, do what you will, it will be right.
当爱存在，不管你做什么，一切行为都将是正确的。

Let's leave beauty until tomorrow, it is too complex.
我们明天再来谈美，这个问题太复杂了。

We ought to talk over together...
我们应该一起来探讨...

...this enormous problem of death.
...死亡这个的巨大问题。

One thing is absolutely certain, irrevocable...
有一件事是绝对必然的，是不可逆转的...

...that we are all going to die one day, that is a fact.
...那就是，有一天我们都会死去，这是一个事实。

And we have never gone into the question...
但是我们从未深入这个问题...

...because most people are afraid of it...
...因为大部分人害怕死亡...

...what is death...
...什么是死亡...

...what is it to die?
...死究竟是怎么一回事？

And why have we made death...
为什么我们将死亡...

...something far away from life, living?
...从这生命，从我们的生活中远远抽离？

Do you understand my question?
你们明白我的问题吗？

We are living now...
我们现在活着...

...and death may come to us when we are ninety...
...死亡将在我们九十岁时来临...

...a hundred or later, much, much later - I hope for you.
...或者一百岁时来临，我希望死亡越晚降临在你身上越好。

So there is a long wide gap between the now...
那么它与现在之间会有巨大的间隔...

...you understand what I am saying?..
...你明白我所说的吗？...

...between the now and the future.
...现在与未来之间的间隔。

Knowing that the now contains the future...
了解到现在包含着未来...

...therefore death is the now.
...因此，死亡就是现在。

I wonder if you understand all this. I know, you don't...
我不确定你们是否了解这一切。我知道，你们不了解...

Let's go into it slowly.
让我们慢慢来解释。

I just saw something which I have never seen before.
我刚刚看到一些我从未看到的东西。

What is it, and why is it that we are frightened of death?
究竟因为什么，我们如此恐惧死亡？

We are frightened of living, obviously.
我们恐惧生存，很明显，这就是原因。

What we call living is a fearful turmoil...
我们称作生存的东西，充满了令人恐惧的混乱...

...conflict, struggle, pain...
...冲突，斗争，痛苦...

...anxiety, economic stringency...
...焦虑，经济的压迫感...

...perpetual disagreement with each other...
...人与人之间永远无法达成共识...

...one opinion opposed to another opinion...
...一个人反对另外一个人的想法...

...the everlasting, constant waking up in the morning and getting ready...
...日复一日的早起，准备去工作...

...and rushing off to the office...
...匆忙地赶去办公室...

...or to the laboratory, or to a factory.
...或者是去实验室，去工厂。

I wonder if you realise...
我想知道，你是否意识到...

...how we spend our days and our years.
...我们是如何度过一天又一天，一年又一年的。

One may call it a jolly life; if you are very successful...
如果你很成功，或许你称这为快乐的生活...

...have plenty of money, and a great deal of amusement...
...有足够的钱，有大量的娱乐消遣...

...you say, 'I have had a jolly good life'...
...你说，“我度过了快活而美好的一生”...

...most people do...
...大部分人会这么认为...

...when they have money, power, position, all the things they want.
...当他们有钱，有权，有地位，拥有他们渴望的一切。

But those are very, very few in the world, fortunately.
但是不幸的是，世界上这样的人是非常非常少的。

But the vast majority, all of us...
大部分的人，我们所有人...

...rush off on Sundays to church...
...周日赶往教堂...

...just to show up that we are there for god to look at us.
...仅仅是为了向上帝表明我们到场了。

And go to the office...
我们去办公室...

...from the age of twenty until you die...
...从我们二十岁到我们死去...

...work, work, work...
...工作，工作，工作...

...the responsibilities, the duties...
...各种责任，职责...

...the pain, the fear, the anxiety, the loneliness.
...充满了痛苦，恐惧，焦虑和孤独。

I wonder if one is aware of all this.
我不知道你们是否意识到了这一切。

You may be a successful actor, a lot of money...
你可能是一个成功的演员，有一大堆的钱...

...but there is always the end of it too, death.
...但是那一切风光终会结束，死亡会到来。

So what we call living...
所以我们称作生存的东西...

...is a very painful, confused, anxious life.
...是一场非常痛苦，迷惑和焦虑的生活。

Right? This is what we call living...
是不是？这就是我们称作生存的东西...

...and we cling to that because that is all we know.
...我们抓住它不放，因为那是我们知道的全部。

And we want to escape from that...
并且我们想从中逃脱...

...so we have a tremendous industry of entertainment...
...所以我们有超大规模的娱乐产业...

...sports, entertainment, football...
...各种体育竞技，娱乐，足球...

...you know, the entertainment industry.
...你们都知道，娱乐行业。

And also the religious entertainment.
还有宗教的娱乐。

Don't say, one is not an entertainment...
不要说这个不是娱乐...

...and the other is more holy...
...那个更加神圣...

...it is still entertainment.
...那还是娱乐而已。

It is a sensation.
这是一种感官享受。

Please don't think one is blasphemous...
请不要以为讲话者在亵渎神灵...

...we are just facing facts.
...我们只是直面那些事实。

So from the moment you are born until you die...
所以从你生下的那一刻直到你死去...

...problem after problem, and the solution of the problem...
..是一个接一个的问题，以及试图解决这些问题...

...and in the solution of the problem...
...在解决问题的过程中...

...you have ten different other problems.
...又产生了十个新问题。

When a brain has been trained...
我们的大脑所接受的训练...

...from childhood to resolve problems...
...从儿时起就是为了解决种种问题...

...mathematical problems, geographic problems...
...数学问题，地理问题...

...technological problems, engineering problems...
...科技问题，工程问题...

...so our brains are conditioned...
...所以我们的大脑被局限于...

...from childhood to resolve problems...
...从小就局限于解决问题...

...not to understand problems, see what problems are...
...而不是了解问题，看看问题究竟是什么...

...what is a problem, but to the resolution of it.
...不了解问题本身，而只考虑解决问题的办法。

And in the resolution of the problem organise in a different way.
并且在解决问题的过程中，形成不同的组织。

Right? One organisation after another.
是不是？一个接一个的组织。

This is our life - political, economic, social...
这就是我们的人生-政治的，经济的，社会的...

...and we are never for a moment free.
...我们没有一刻是自由的。

And specially in this country...
特别是在这个国家...

...you are talking about freedom all the time...
...你们时时刻刻在谈论自由的问题...

...freedom to choose...
...选择的自由...

...freedom to go from this little place to another place...
...从这个小地方到另一个地方的自由...

...change jobs...
...换工作的自由...

...change wives.
...换妻子的自由。

So choice we think is freedom. But it isn't, is it?
所以我们认为选择的权利就是自由。但是这并非自由，不是吗？

Choice exists only when the brain is uncertain.
只有在头脑不确定的时候选择才会存在。

When it is clear there is no choice at all.
然而非常清楚的事实是我们根本没有选择。

And so this great deep confusion...
所以这种巨大的深深的困惑感...

...uncertainty, loneliness, despair, depression...
...不确定，孤独，绝望，抑郁...

...you know, the whole cycle of our living.
...你们知道，我们生活的整个恶性循环。

And when death comes we are blown off, there is nothing else.
于是当死亡来临时，我们灰飞烟灭，什么也没剩下。

And so we invent reincarnation.
于是我们发明了轮回转世的说法。

Do you believe in reincarnation? If you do, then live rightly.
你相信轮回转世吗？如果你相信，那么以正确的方式生活吧。

Live now rightly, because if you don't live now rightly...
现在就正确的生活，因为如果你现在做不到...

...the next life will be exactly the same thing as you are now.
...下辈子你将和现在的你完全一样。

Naturally, because time, whether it is a thousand years or now...
这是很自然的事情，因为时间，无论是一千年还是现在这一刻...

...there is no right action...
...都没有正确的行动...

...which can only take place where there is this quality...
...只有当一种品质存在时，才会有正确的行动...

...this perfume, this extraordinary thing called love.
...这种品质是一种芬芳，是一种非凡之物：爱。

If that is not there the next life will be exactly the same thing...
如果爱不存在，下一世将和这一世完全一样...

...as you are now, only slightly modified...
...就是你现在的样子，可能有些微的调整...

...perhaps a bigger house...
...可能下辈子会拥有更大的房子...

...that is all what you want: the bigger car...
...那就是你们所渴望的一切：更大的车子...

...more pleasure, but it is the same thing continued.
...更多的欢愉，但是那都是相同内容的延续而已。

So what is death?
那么什么是死亡？

We have understood what life is, at least what we consider life is...
我们已经知道了什么是生命，至少理解了我们认为的生命...

...a tremendous bondage to time.
...被时间无休止奴役的生命。

And what is death?
那么什么是死亡？

There is death to the organism...
有机体会死亡...

...we are all getting older every day...
...我们每一天都在老去...

...from the moment we are born...
...从我们出生的那一刻起...

...we are getting older and older and die.
...我们逐渐衰老然后死去。

And we have never asked...
然而我们从未问过...

...what is death, what does it mean...
...什么是死亡，死亡意味着什么...

...while living - not when we come to the end of it.
...当我们还活着时发问-而非临死前。

While living we have never asked what is the meaning...
当我们还活着时，我们从未问过死亡的意义...

...the significance, the depth of death.
...死亡的重要性，死亡的深邃含义。

We have never asked what is the depth of life, living.
我们从未问过生的深邃含义，生存是什么。

It must have something enormously significant, living...
生必然有它巨大的重要性，生存的意义...

...but we have reduced it to such a potty little affair.
...但是我们却把它缩小为一件微不足道的事情。

So we have never asked there...
所以我们从未问过...

...and we never ask certainly what death is.
...当然我们也从未问过死亡是什么。

And as two friends let's look at it...
那么作为两个朋友，我们一起来看一下...

...not frightened...
...不要心存恐惧...

...because then you will never understand it.
...否则你永远无法理解它。

So as we went into the question of fear last week...
所以上一周，我们深入探索了恐惧的问题...

...and the ending of fear...
...以及恐惧的终结...

...there must be the end of fear to understand...
...恐惧必须终结，我们才能理解...

...the nature and the quality and the depth of death.
...死亡的真相，本质和深邃。

As we said, biologically, organically...
像我们所说的，生物学上，有机体上...

...we are wasting, day after day, the organism.
...我们都在耗损，一天又一天，有机体都在耗损。

We are living wrongly, all the travail, all the misery...
我们生活的方式是错误的，所有的辛苦，所有的不幸...

...the confusion, the pleasure, the pain...
...所有的困惑，欢愉，所有的苦痛...

...tremendous wastage of energy...
...能量的巨大浪费...

...and that is coming to an end, that is part of death.
...这一切都将走向终结，那都是死亡的一部分。

And also what is it that is dying...
那么究竟是什么在死去...

...apart from the physical, biological existence...
...除了物理上，生物意义上的死亡...

...what is it that is dying?
...是什么在走向死亡？

What is the 'me'...
“我”究竟是什么...

...that is the 'I', the ego, the person, the persona...
...那个“我”，我的自我，我这个人，我这个角色...

...the self - let's stick to that one word...
...我自己-让我们继续使用这个词...

...what is that self, the 'me'...
...究竟什么是我自己，什么是“我”...

...that is going to die?
...这个要死去的我究竟是什么？

Right?
是不是？

And that is what we are frightened of, not of death.
这才是我们真正恐惧的东西，而非恐惧死亡。

The 'me' which has been accumulated...
这个“我”一直在积累...

...in this life as memory, knowledge...
...人生中的记忆，知识...

...experience, the 'me'...
...经验，积累“我”的感觉...

...my selfishness, my greed, my ambition...
...我的自私，我的贪婪，我的野心...

...all the recording, records...
...所有的记录，所有记录下的内容...

...which is stored in the brain, the 'me'...
...这一切都存储在我们的大脑中，在“我”中...

...and we are frightened that me is going to come to an end.
...于是我们恐惧这个我有一天会走到终点。

So we have to examine closely what is the 'me'.
所以我们来细致地观察下什么是“我”。

Who are you, apart from your name and your bank account...
你是谁？除了你的名字，你的银行户头...

...where you live and all that kind of stuff...
...你住的地方，诸如此类的东西...

...apart from the physical me, the physical body...
...除了这个身体上的我，这个物理存在...

...you are tall, short - apart from all that, what are you?
...不管你是高是矮，除了那一切，你是谁？

Have you ever faced it?
你有面对过这个问题吗？

Let's face it now, don't be frightened.
让我们现在来直面它，不要恐惧。

What are you?
你是谁？

Are you not all the accumulated memories...
难道你不就是那些积累的记忆吗...

...memories, pleasurable, pain...
...愉快的记忆，痛苦的记忆...

...the fifty years, or thirty years, or ten days of memory...
...五十年的记忆，三十年的记忆，或者十天的记忆...

...aren't you all that?
...你不就是那些记忆吗？

Memories of your pleasure...
愉快的记忆...

...the pain and anxiety of your desire...
...痛苦，欲望带来的焦虑...

...the loneliness...
...孤独感...

...the depression...
...抑郁...

...the struggle, aren't you all that?
...挣扎，难道你不就是那些吗？

Which is all memory.
所有的那些就是记忆。

Right?
是不是？

Look at it as it is now, don't say...
看到事情的本来面目，就在现在，不要说...

...'Isn't there something superior beyond memory?'
...“难道没有超越记忆更高的东西吗？”

I know that game!
我了解那个游戏！

You can invent something superior...
你会发明一些更高等的东西...

...that there is a soul...
...你会说，人们是有灵魂的...

...and the Hindus call it the atman, and so on...
...印度人称作生命本源，等等的说法...

...superior consciousness, something divine...
...更高等的意识，神圣的存在...

...something very, very clear.
...非常非常清澈的存在。

Which are all theories, absurdities...
所有的那些都是理论而已，非常荒谬...

...the actuality is what you are...
...事实真相是你现在的样子...

...this vast collection of humanity...
...所有人类...

...of memories of human beings.
...所有人类的全部记忆。

If you are a great technician...
如果你是个了不起的技术人员...

...putting the atom bomb together...
...制造了原子弹...

...the neutron bomb...
...中子弹...

...you have to accumulate a great deal of knowledge...
...你必须积累大量的知识...

...and death may come and you just say...
...死亡即将来临，你会说...

...'Wait a minute, let me finish it.'
...“等一下，让我完成它。”

Which is all the process of gathering...
这就是一个积攒的过程...

...dispensing, gathering. Right?
...分发，积攒。是不是？

You are that.
你就是你的记忆。

That's a fact.
这是事实。

But we don't like to look at the fact.
但是我们不喜欢面对这个事实。

We like to say, 'No, I am something more.'
我们喜欢说，“不，我还有更高的价值。”

This 'something more' is the desire, is thought saying...
这个“更高的价值”即欲望，就是我们的思想在说...

...'That is too small, surely I am something...
...“那些太渺小了，我当然是...

...much more important than that.'
...比那些更伟大的存在。”

So that too is the invention of thought.
所有那些都是思想的发明而已。

So you are the bundle of memories put together by thought.
所以你就是由思想拼凑在一起的一大堆记忆而已。

Face it!
直面这个事实吧！

And death comes along and says, 'My friend, that's the end.'
接着死亡降临了，它说，“我的朋友，该结束了。”

And you say, 'Wait, please, let me live a little longer.'
你说，“请等一下，再多给我一点时间。”

So, please follow this closely and you will see it for yourself.
所以，请仔细地听，你会亲自看到事情的本来面目。

Time is now.
时间就是现在。

Time is contained, the past, the future is now.
时间包含在现在，过去，未来都是现在。

So death is now.
所以死亡就是现在。

That means, if I am attached to my wife...
这就是说，如果我依恋我的妻子...

...to my something or other, to my furniture...
...离不开这个或那个，离不开我的家具...

Right?
是不是？

Aren't you attached to something?
你们难道不是都依恋一些什么东西吗？

And death comes and says, 'That is the end of it.'
那么当死亡降临，说：“一切都结束了。”

Cuts it.
了断了。

So can you be free of the attachment?
那么你能够放下一切牵绊吗？

Therefore you are living then...
如果你能放下，那你便开始生活了...

...living and dying at the same time.
...生与死是同在的。

You understand this? Oh, no!
你们明白吗？哦，不！

Do it, sir, and you will see what an extraordinary thing it is then.
去做，先生，你将会看到这是多么不同凡响的事情。

If you are attached to your memories, to your experience...
如果你仍然纠缠于你的记忆，你的经验...

...to your failure, to your ambition...
...你的失败，你的野心...

...all that is going to come to an end.
...那一切都是会结束的。

So can you live...
所以你是否可以...

...with death, which is to end your ambition now?
...与死亡同在地生活，也就是在现在这一刻就终结你的野心？

And to live without ambition means tremendous energy...
不带野心的生活需要巨大的能量...

...not to do more mischief.
...不是去制造更多的危害。

So death and life are always together.
所以生与死是永远同在的。

And when this happens, actually, not theoretically...
当这一切发生时，真正发生，而非理论上...

...not imaginatively, not wishing for it...
...而非想象中发生，希望它发生...

...but actually doing it...
...而是真正的去实践它...

...to whatever you are attached.
...放下所有的牵绊。

I know it is difficult if the husband says to his wife...
我知道这是很困难的，如果丈夫对妻子说...

...'Darling, I am not attached to you any more.'
...“亲爱的，我再也不依赖你了。”

He will have a lot of trouble.
那么他就有大麻烦了。

And that raises another problem, a tremendous problem.
于是又产生了一个非常严重的问题。

You may be free from attachment and she is not...
你可能已经放下牵绊，但是她还没有...

...or she is and you are not.
...或者她已经放下，但是你没有。

Then what is relationship?
那么这是什么样的关系呢？

Is relationship merely the accumulation of memory...
人与人的关系是否仅是记忆的积累呢...

...as pleasure, pain?
...愉快的记忆，痛苦的记忆？

Is relationship then merely a sensation?
是否人与人的关系仅仅是感情呢？

The image of each other, is that relationship?
心中存有对方的某种形象，那是人与人的关系吗？

And so when there are...
所以只要存在...

...these separate images...
...这些互相分离的形象...

...there is conflict, pain, and anxiety.
...就会存在冲突，痛苦和焦虑。

So where there is pain, anxiety, fear, love is not.
所以当痛苦，焦虑和恐惧存在，爱就不存在。

So death and life always march together.
所以生与死是同时并进的。

Then there is that sense of absolute freedom...
然后全然的自由就产生了...

...from the little travail of myself.
...从我自己琐细的痛苦中完全解脱的自由。

And that is necessary...
并且必须要...

...to understand that which is timeless...
...了解什么是不依赖时间的...

...if there is such a thing as eternity.
...是否存在一种永恒。

We will talk about it another time...
我们会在下次谈到这个问题...

...but to see all this as a movement of life...
...把所有这些都看做是生命的运动...

...dying and living.
...生命和死亡。

Therefore in that sense you will never kill another...
那样的话，你们就不会互相残杀...

...never deliberately hurt another.
...永远不会有意去伤害别人。

Right, sirs, finished.
好的，先生们，结束了。