So I am asking, we are asking: is the 'me', the ego actual? Or is it an illusion? A delusion that has been brought about by thought, thought being limited? You understand? In its limitation it has created the thing which is limited. Do you see this? Or you are rejecting this? Because we are thinking together. And we are saying: where there is division there must be conflict, there must be strife, there must be this constant battle going on outwardly and inwardly - right? Take a very simple example: man and woman. In all relationships, as it exists now, there is conflict - right?
所以,我问,我们在问:这个'我',自我,是真实的存在吗?还是一种幻觉?一个由思想带来的错觉,而思想本身是局限的?你明白吗?思想从自己的局限里制造出了一个局限的东西。你看到这点了吗?还是你拒绝接受?因为我们是在一起思考。我们说:有分别就必然有冲突,必然有争斗,这种内在和外在的斗争就会持续不断地发生-对不对?举一个很简单的例子:男人和女人。在所有的关系中,分别是存在着的,就有了冲突-对不对?
摘自:SAANEN 4TH PUBLIC TALK 15TH JULY 1979