All that we have invented,
我们发明的一切， the symbols in the church,
教堂里的标志， the rituals,
仪式， they are all put there by thought.
都是思想的产物。 Thought has invented these things,
思想发明了这些东西， invented the savior,
发明了救世主， invented the temples in India and the contents of the temples.
发明了印度的神庙以及其中的一切。 Thought has invented all these things called sacred.
思想发明了这一切所谓神圣的东西。 You can’t deny that.
你无法否认这一点 。 So thought in itself is not sacred.
那么思想本身并不神圣。 And when thought invents God, God is not sacred.
如果思想发明了上帝,上帝就不是神圣的。 So- what is sacred?
那——什么神圣呢？ That can only be...
只有我们…… understood or happen...
完全从恐惧中， when there is complete freedom...
从悲伤中解脱时， from fear,
只有我们拥有了…… from sorrow,
爱与慈悲…… and when there is this sense of love...
以及与之俱来的智慧时， and compassion with its own intelligence.
才可能有神圣，它也才能被了解。 Then, when the mind is utterly still,
那时，当头脑彻底静止了下来， that which is sacred can take place.
那神圣就会发生了。 It was a late summer afternoon.
这是一个夏末的午后。 Near the shore, a group of children were playing.
海边，一群孩子在玩耍。 One of the boys, though ragged and undernourished,
其中有个男孩，衣衫破旧又营养不良， stood apart from the others.
他远离其他孩子，悄然独立。 He was described as having a special radiance.
据说他身上散发着奇异的光， A pure and shining atmosphere surrounded him.
有一股纯净而明亮的气息萦绕着他。 Because of these qualities the child was singled out...
因为这些卓然的品质，这个孩子被挑了出来， and chosen to be the vehicle for the coming World Teacher?
被选为即将到来的“世界导师”的载体。 This discovery was not an isolated revelation...
这个发现并不是单一的启示， for it was believed that humanity was entering a new age...
因为人们相信人类正在进入一个新世纪， an age that would bring with it a new Messiah.
这个世纪将带来一个新的弥赛亚。 During the early decades of the 19th century...
在19世纪头一、二十年， science was beginning to replace religion as the savior of humanity.
科学逐渐取代宗教，成了人类新的救星。 As the monolithic church splintered,
坚如磐石的教会土崩瓦解的同时， new organizations emerged...
新的组织一个个出现了， offering a balance between science and religion.
它们在科学与宗教之间提供着平衡。 One of the many new groups, the Theosophical Society,
在众多新团体中，有一个通神学会， spread rapidly throughout the world.
很快拓展到了全世界。 Founded by Russian born Helena Petrovna Blavatsky...
它由俄裔H.P.布拉瓦茨基夫人…… and the American Henry Steel Olcott,
和美国人H.S.奥尔科特共同创建， its objectives were to seek truth...
旨在寻找古老的东方宗教的…… of the ancient religions of the East,
真理，探究…… to investigate the unexplained laws of nature...
未知的自然法则， and to promote universal brotherhood.
并推广世界大同的理想。 So attractive were these ideals that by 1881...
这些理想极有吸引力，以至到1881年时， the Society had become a worldwide institution...
通神学会就发展成了一个世界性机构， with over 100,000 enthusiastic members.
拥有10万多满腔热情的会员。 Helena Blavatsky was a deep student of metaphysical lore...
H.布拉瓦茨基夫人对玄学有深入研究， and was sought after...
有人相信她有神通， by those who believed her to possess psychic powers.
并因而追随她， Derided by some as a charlatan,
也有人讥笑她为骗子。 she was, however, a serious writer...
但实际上她是个严肃作家， and in 1888 published her greatest work:
1888年，她出版了她最伟大的著作： two tremendous volumes entitled ‘The Secret Doctrine’
两卷题为《秘密教义》的巨著。 Annie Besant, a young journalist,
安妮·贝赞特，一位年轻的记者， was asked to analyse the work for London’s Review of Reviews.
当时的《伦敦评论》邀请她为这本书写篇书评。 Turning the pages, she was dazzled by what she read?
在翻阅的过程中，她“被所读的内容震撼”了。 To her, disjointed facts were now seen...
在她看来，那些互不相关的事情现在…… as parts of a mighty whole...
都成了一个强大整体的组成部分， and the puzzles, riddles and problems of her life...
生活中的种种困惑、不解之谜和问题， seemed to disappear.
似乎都消失了。 Within weeks...
几周之内， Annie Besant made a life long commitment to Theosophy.
安妮·贝赞特就决定终生投身于通神学。 This sudden step was not out of character...
这个突然的决定很符合…… for the impetuous Mrs. Besant.
贝赞特夫人激进的个性。 She was already well known to Victorian England...
早在英国维多利亚时代，她就已是一位知名的…… as an orator, educator, energetic feminist...
演说家、教育家和积极的女权主义者， and a pioneer on behalf of the emerging labor movement.
也是新兴的劳工运动的先驱。 She organized a strike of match girls
她组织了Bryant and Mays火柴厂的…… at Bryant and Mays factory.
女工大罢工。 Her sense of social justice...
她的社会正义感…… led her to become a Fabian Socialist...
带动她跟西德尼·韦伯、乔治·萧伯纳…… along with Sidney Webb, George Bernard Shaw...
以及拉姆奇·麦克唐纳一起成为了…… and Ramsey McDonald.
费边主义者。 After Blavatsky’s death,
布拉瓦茨基夫人去世后， Annie Besant became head of the Society...
安妮·贝赞特升任学会的主席， and the most influential force for the theosophical ideal.
并成为通神学理念最有影响力的人物。 It was she who forged Blavatsky’s unwieldy philosophy...
正是她把布拉瓦茨基夫人庞杂的哲学…… into a popular movement.
打造成了一场大众运动。 Many of the world’s religions speak of a hero or savior...
世界上许多宗教都谈到，一位英雄或救世主…… who appears in a time of crisis to help mankind.
会在危机时刻出现，来帮助人类。 In “The Secret Doctrine" Blavatsky described...
在《秘密教义》中，布拉瓦茨基描述了…… how such a teacher would define truth...
那样的导师会怎样用…… in terms suitable for a new civilization.
适合新文明的语言定义真理。 Over the years this theme had been developing in Besant’s mind.
这么多年来，这个主题一直萦绕在贝赞特的脑海里。 By 1900 she was convinced that time had come...
到了1900年，她确信伟大的精神领袖…… for the reappearance of a great spiritual leader.
重现人间的时刻来临了。 Even now she was lecturing in India, Europe and the United States...
她开始在印度、欧洲、美国展开巡回演讲， on the coming of a World Teacher.
宣告世界导师的到来。 Expectations were spreading throughout the Society...
期待的心情在蔓延到整个学会， and thousands thronged to hear her lectures.
成千上万人蜂拥而来听她演讲。 Charles Webster Leadbeater...
C·W·赖德拜特， was another leading member of the society.
学会的另一位领导人， He and Besant worked closely together...
他与贝赞特紧密合作， and seemed to compliment each other...
就如当年的奥尔科特和布拉瓦茨基一样， as Olcott and Blavatsky had done years earlier.
两个人看起来相得益彰。 The year was 1909.
那是1909年。 C. W. Leadbeater had moved to India...
C. W. 赖德拜特搬到了印度， and was now living at Adyar,
住在阿迪亚尔， the Theosophical headquarters near Madras.
马德拉斯附近的通神学会总部。 Each day, he would stroll with a group of friends...
每天，他都会与一群朋友…… along the beach on the Bay of Bengal.
沿着孟加拉湾的海滩散步。 It was there, that the young Jiddu Krishnamurti was discovered.
就在那里，他们发现了年少的J ·克里希那穆提。 In spite of the child’s thin, uncared-for appearance,
虽然这个孩子外表单薄，并不引人注目， Leadbeater saw a quality so remarkable...
赖德拜特却看到了他身上超凡的品质， that he announced, that this Brahmin boy...
他宣布，这个婆罗门男孩…… would fulfill the long awaited prophecy.
会实现期待已久的预言。 Krishnamurti...
克里希那穆提…… was to be prepared as the vehicle for the world teacher.
将被培养成世界导师的载体。 The child’s mother, Sanjeevamma, had died some years earlier...
孩子的母亲，桑吉瓦玛，在几年前就已经过世了。 and the 14-year-old boy had come to live...
这个14岁的男孩…… with his father and three brothers...
跟他父亲以及其他三个兄弟…… just outside the Society’s compound.
就住在学会大院的附近。 The dreamy boy suffered from malaria,
这个迷迷糊糊的男孩患有疟疾， and illness often kept him from school.
病痛常常使他无法上学。 He was unassuming...
他谦柔温顺， and yielded easily to the suggestions of others.
很容易就能接受他人的建议。 He seemed to live in another world.
他似乎生活在另一个世界。 Often oblivious to what was going on around him.
对他身边正在发生的事常常无知无觉。 There was a curious emptiness.
他身上有一种奇异的空。 Krishnamurti and his younger brother, Nityananda,
克里希那穆提与弟弟尼亚南达…… were especially close.
格外亲近。 And when told of the opportunity of being prepared for great things,
当得知自己有机会得到培养、成就伟业时， he refused unless Nitya could be with him.
他拒绝了，除非尼亚能跟他在一起。 On November 27, 1909,
1909年11月27日， Annie Besant returned to India...
安妮·贝赞特回到印度， and met the brothers for the first time.
第一次见到了兄弟俩。 An affectionate bond was formed,
深挚的情感产生了， and she became to the shy Krishnamurti...
她成了害羞的克里希那穆提的…… a mother, teacher, and friend.
母亲、老师和朋友。 To Annie Besant the responsibility for guiding the boy’s future...
在安妮·贝赞特看来，引导这个孩子的未来…… became a sacred trust.
成了她神圣的任务。 It was decided that...
大家认为， the time had come to introduce Krishnamurti to the world.
是时候把克里希那穆提介绍给全世界了。 For this purpose the Order of the Star in the East was formed.
世界明星社就因此成立了。 With Krishnamurti as its nominal head...
以克里希那穆提为名义社长， and under the guidance of Annie Besant,
在安妮·贝赞特的领导下， the Order hoped to prepare its members...
明星社旨在培养它的会员…… to accept the world teacher and his message.
迎接世界导师及其带来的讯息。 During the theosophical convention held in Benares that year...
在那年的贝拿勒斯通神学大会上， nearly 400 new members joined the Order of the Star.
将近400位新会员加入了世界明星社。 A glorious future was foreseen...
会员们谈论着救世主的再来， as members spoke of “The Second Coming”.
一个辉煌荣耀的未来仿佛就在眼前。 In a wave of emotion the new members fell at the boy’s feet.
新会员们情绪高涨，纷纷拜倒在这个孩子的脚下。 And Mrs. Besant publicly announced that Krishnamurti...
贝赞特夫人公开宣称克里希那穆提…… was to indeed become the vehicle for the world teacher.
确实将成为世界导师的载体。 At the end of 1911 the mould had been cast...
1911年末，模型已经铸就， and the destiny of the young boy seemed assured.
这个小男孩的命运似乎已经确定了。 Narianiah, the boys’ father was not as easily convinced.
孩子的父亲拿南尼亚却并不容易说服。 This deification might make him the laughing stock of India...
儿子的神化可能会让他成为印度的笑柄。 and he threatened to deprive Mrs. Besant of their custody.
他威胁要剥夺贝赞特夫人对两个儿子的监护权。 She quickly intervened...
她迅速干预调解， by describing the advantages of an English education...
她向拿南尼亚描绘了接受英国教育的诸多优点， and stressed the special advantage...
并强调了他的儿子成为牛津大学…… of his sons becoming Oxford graduates.
毕业生的特别好处。 On January 19, 1912, Narianiah signed a document...
1912年元月19日，拿南尼亚签署了一份文件， allowing Krishnamurti and Nitya to be taken to England.
准许克里希那穆提和尼亚被带往英国。 He was unaware that it would be 10 years...
他不知道孩子们将一走就是十年， and involve a lengthy lawsuit...
他不知道在他们回来之前， before his sons were to return.
会有一场冗长的诉讼。 In England, news of their arrival spread quickly...
在英国，他们到来的消息迅速传开， and a large crowd was on hand...
一大群人来到查令十字车站…… to greet the party at Charing Cross Station.
欢迎他们一行。 An English Theosophist described Krishnamurti on arrival as...
一位通神学会的英国会员描述抵达的克里希那穆提： “In odd figure with long black hair falling almost to his shoulders...
“奇怪的身形，几乎披肩的黑色长发， and enormous dark eyes which had a vacant look in them.”
When I went to Europe for the first time...
第一次到欧洲时， I lived among people who were wealthy and well educated,
我生活在那些受过良好教育的富人中， who held positions of social authority.
他们在社会中有权有势。 I walked about the streets, watching the faces of people.
我在街上漫步，观察行人的表情。 I went to theatres.
我去剧院。 I saw how people amused themselves trying to forget their unhappiness.
我看到人们怎样逗自己开心，试图忘掉他们的不幸福。 I saw people with political, social or religious power.
我看到那些拥有政治、社会或宗教权力的人。 I watched the amusements of the young people.
我注意到年轻人的娱乐。 I saw people who desire to serve...
我看到渴望服务大众的人， going into those quarters where the poor and degraded live.
他们走进那些穷人和下层人民生活的地方。 They desired to help...
他们渴望帮助他人， but were themselves helpless.
但自己却茫然无助。 How can you cure another of disease if you are yourself a victim...
你怎么能治好别人的病，如果你自己就是…… of that disease?
那种病的受害者？ I questioned everything...
我质疑一切， because I wanted to find out for myself.
因为我想自己找到答案。 Annie Besant gave 3 stirring lectures...
安妮·贝赞特在伦敦的女皇大厅…… at the Queen’s Hall in London.
作了三场激动人心的演讲。 The movement was gathering force.
这项运动正在凝聚力量。 When she returned to India...
她返回印度后， the boy’s education began under a series of tutors.
男孩的教育开始由一群家庭教师们来完成。 The young man was constantly...
这个年轻人身边经常…… surrounded by teachers and attentive followers.
围满老师和殷勤的追随者。 Never allowed to be alone, he longed for a more normal life.
因为从来不允许独处，他憧憬一种更正常的生活。 He grew dissatisfied...
他越来越不满， and lost all interest in the role he was being prepared for.
对正在准备扮演的那个角色也失去了所有的兴趣。 In the summer of 1914, England plunged into the Great War.
1914年夏天，英国卷入第一次世界大战。 Communications collapsed and the boy’s seclusion intensified.
通信系统崩溃，男孩被进一步隔离。 Krishnamurti became more and more restless.
克里希那穆提变得越来越不安。 Annie Besant wrote and reminded him as she often did,
安妮·贝赞特一如既往地写信提醒他， that his happiness would lie only in the work ahead.
他的幸福只能在以后的工作中。 Though he felt a deep love and loyalty for Mrs. Besant,
虽然他对贝赞特夫人怀有深深的爱与忠诚， inwardly a quiet revolution was unfolding.
但一场静静的革命正在他内心展开。 I have long been in revolt from all things.
我一直在反叛所有的事情。 From the authority of others. From the instruction of others.
反叛他人的权威，反叛他人的指示。 From the knowledge of others.
反叛他人的知识。 I would not accept anything as truth...
任何事我都不会直接接受， until I found the truth for myself.
直到我自己发现那是事实。 I never opposed the ideas of others...
我从不反对他人的观点， but I would not accept their authority...
但我不会接受他们的权威， or their theory of life.
或他们的生活理论。 Until I was in that state of revolt,
只有我处于那个反叛的状态， until I became dissatisfied with everything,
只有我变得对一切不满， with every creed, with every dogma and belief,
对一切信条、教义和信仰都不满时， I was not able to find the truth.
我才能发现真相。 The boys worked hard to pass their college entrance examinations.
两个男孩努力学习以争取考上大学。 Nitya had little difficulty,
尼亚没有困难， but Krishnamurti was a slow and indifferent student.
克里希那穆提却是个迟钝而漫不经心的学生。 To everyone’s disappointment it became clear...
令大家失望的是，他考不上牛津或剑桥的迹象…… that he would not be accepted by either Oxford or Cambridge.
越来越明显了。 The close of the war in 1918...
1918年大战结束， brought increased activity among Theosophists.
通神学会的会员们开始忙碌起来。 In India, Annie Besant was deeply absorbed...
在印度，安妮·贝赞特一心扑在…… in problems of education and political action.
教育问题与政治活动上。 She was in the forefront of the struggle for Indian independence...
她跟甘地以及其他人一起并肩战斗在…… along with Gandhi and others.
印度独立运动的第一线。 But in her lectures she continued to proclaim...
但在演讲中，她继续宣扬…… the importance of the world teacher...
世界导师及其带给人类…… and his message for humanity.
的讯息的重要性。 Krishnamurti was maturing slowly...
克里希那穆提正在慢慢成熟， and after a ten-year absence from his native country,
十年的背井离乡后， it was decided that his work would begin at Adyar.
学会决定他的工作将从阿迪亚尔开始。 In late December the brothers arrived in Bombay.
12月底，兄弟俩到达孟买。 For Mrs. Besant, the long awaited day had finally come...
他们“离开时还是孩子， as the two brothers, who “left as boys,
回来时却是大人了”，因为他们的成熟， returned as men.”
When I came to India I saw that the people there...
我来到印度，看到那里的人们…… were deluding themselves equally,
同样在欺骗自己， carrying on the same old traditions,
他们继续传统的那一套， treating women cruelly.
残酷地对待妇女。 At the same time they called themselves very religious...
同时，他们声称自己非常虔诚， and painted their faces with ashes.
还用灰炭涂抹自己的脸。 In India, they may have the most sacred books in the world,
在印度，他们可能有全世界最神圣的书， they may have the greatest philosophies,
他们可能有最伟大的哲人， they may have constructed wonderful temples in the past,
他们过去可能建造了辉煌的庙宇， but none of these was able to give me what I wanted.
但这一切都无法给予我所想要的。 As head of the Order of the Star...
身为世界明星社的社长， the shy young man plunged into his work.
这个害羞的年轻人全身心投入工作。 He wrote numerous books and articles for Star publications.
他为明星社撰写了大量的书与文章。 There were lectures to give and meetings to attend.
有很多演讲要出席，很多会议要参加。 The brothers undertook a heavy schedule...
兄弟俩的时间排得满满的， speaking in India, England, Australia and Europe.
他们要在印度、英国、澳洲以及欧洲进行大量的演讲。 These travels became a heavy strain on Nitya.
这些旅行成了尼亚沉重的负担。 He became ill and was diagnosed as having tuberculosis.
他病了，诊断结果是肺结核。 California was suggested as having...
大家推荐去加利福尼亚， a healthful climate for consumptives...
因为那里的气候有益结核病人的健康， and an ideal place for recovery.
是康复的理想之地。 In the summer of 1922,
1922年夏天， the loan of a small cottage in the Ojai Valley...
学会在欧亥山谷借到一幢小屋， brought the young men to America for the first time.
两个年轻人第一次来到了美国。 Writing to Mrs. Besant,
在给贝赞特夫人的信中， Nitya described their new surroundings:
尼亚描绘了他们的新环境： “In a long narrow valley of apricot orchards...
“我们的家在一个狭长的山谷里， and orange groves, is our home.
周围都是杏树园和柳橙林。 And the hot sun shines day after day to remind us of Adyar.
日复一日的炙热阳光让我们想起了阿迪亚尔。 The Indians call our valley the Ojai, or the nest.
印第安人把我们的山谷叫做欧亥或是鸟巢。 And for centuries they must have sought it as a refuge.”
For a time Nitya seemed to recover.
有一段时间，尼亚好像恢复了。 But perhaps best of all, they were alone.
但也许最棒的是，他们终于可以独处了。 Privacy had been a luxury denied them since childhood.
从孩童时代起，私密就是他们无法享受的奢侈品。 But now in the silence of the valley...
但现在，在这山谷的幽静中， Krishnamurti had an opportunity to be with himself.
克里希那穆提有机会跟自己在一起了。 He walked alone in the hills,
他独自在山间漫步， climbing through orange groves and scrub brush.
穿越橘子林与灌木丛。 As the days passed, a strange uneasiness seized him.
日子一天天过去，一种奇怪的不适感挥之不去。 He became ill and complained of intense pain and suffocating heat.
他开始生病，抱怨剧痛和喘不过气的炎热。 There were periods of unconsciousness...
这个奇怪的过程达到顶峰时， as the strange process reached its peak.
他会时不时失去意识。 Agitated and feverish, he insisted on walking alone...
因为躁动难安，他坚持独自散步， but was urged instead...
但大家强烈劝说后， to rest under a young pepper tree that stood near the cottage.
他就改去小屋旁边的一棵小胡椒树下休息了。 It was there, in the stillness of the night,
就在那里，在夜的寂静中， that a transcendent event took place...
那件超凡至圣的事发生了， that shook his life to its foundations.
从根本上撼动了他的人生。 I could feel the wind passing through the trees,
我能感觉到风正穿过林间， and the little ant on the blade of grass.
我能感觉到叶片上的小蚂蚁。 I could feel the birds,
我能感觉到鸟儿、 the dust.
尘土。 And every noise was a part of me.
所有的声音都是我的一部分。 I was in everything.
我在万物之中， Or rather everything...
更确切地说，万物…… was in me.
在我之中。 I was supremely happy...
我极度幸福， for I had seen.
因为我看到了。 Nothing could ever be the same.
一切都不再一样。 I have drunk at the clear and pure waters of the fountain of life.
我已喝到了清澈纯净的生命之泉。 And my thirst was appeased.
我解渴了。 Never more could I be thirsty.
我永不会再渴。 Never more could I be in utter darkness.
我永不会再堕入无边的黑暗。 I have touched the compassion,
我触及了慈悲， which heals all sorrow and suffering.
它治愈了所有的悲伤与痛苦。 It is not for myself...
这慈悲不是给我自己的， but for the world.
而是给世界的。 To describe his new perceptions...
为了描述他的全新领悟， Krishnamurti embarked on a world wide speaking tour.
克里希那穆提开始了世界巡回演讲。 The change was unmistakable.
改变是明显的。 Everywhere, among all people,
全世界，全人类， there is a search for something hidden.
都在寻找某个隐秘的东西。 For some realization...
在寻找某种领悟， which will give greater knowledge,
它将带来更伟大的知识， greater vision,
更广阔的视野， greater understanding.
更深刻的理解。 And this the people call “truth”.
人们把它叫做“真理”。 They think that truth lies hidden in some distant place,
他们认为真理藏在某个遥远的地方， away from life,
远离生活， away from joy,
远离欢乐， away from sorrow.
远离悲伤， But truth is life itself.
但真理就是生活本身。 And with an understanding of life,
了解生活， there is born an understanding of truth.
才能懂得真理。 While traveling, a sudden hemorrhage...
旅途中，尼亚突然出血， brought back fears for Nitya’s health.
大家再次担心起他的健康。 He was weak, in high fever and racked with coughing.
他发高烧，身体虚弱，饱受咳嗽的折磨。 It was decided that the brothers should again return...
大家认为兄弟俩应该返回…… to the dry climate of the Ojai Valley.
气候干燥的欧亥山谷。 Once in California Nitya seemed to improve.
一到加利福尼亚，尼亚就似乎好转了。 And when Mrs. Besant cabled asking...
贝赞特夫人发来电报， that Krishnamurti come to India...
要克里希那穆提去印度…… for Theosophy’s Jubilee Convention,
参加通神学会五十周年的庆典， he reluctantly agreed.
他很不情愿地答应了。 The bond between the brothers had grown stronger than ever.
兄弟俩的感情比以往更加强烈。 There was unquestioning faith that...
尼亚在以后的工作中至关重要， Nitya was essential to the work ahead...
因此，他的命会保住的。 and because of this, his life would be spared.
大家对此深信不疑。 While enroute, a cable arrived saying that Nitya had influenza.
途中来了一封电报,说尼亚患了流感。 A later wire read, “Flu rather more serious, pray for me.”
On the 13th of November,
11月13号， as the ship entered the Suez Canal,
在客轮进入苏伊士运河时， a telegram arrived announcing Nitya’s death.
来了一封电报，宣告了尼亚的死亡。 The news broke Krishnamurti completely.
这个消息彻底击溃了克里希那穆提。 It did more. His entire philosophy of life,
不止如此。他全部的生命哲学， the implicit faith in the future...
对于未来的绝对信念，对于尼亚将担当…… and Nitya’s vital part in it all,
重要角色的绝对信念， appeared to be shattered at that moment.
似乎在那一刻被粉碎了。 An old dream...
旧梦…… is dead...
已死， and a new one is being born.
新梦就要诞生。 A new vision is coming into being.
新的视野正在形成， And a new consciousness is being unfolded.
新的意识正在展开。 I know now, with greater certainty than ever before,
现在，我比以往更加确信， that there is real beauty in life.
生命中存在真正的美。 Real happiness...
真正的幸福， that cannot be shattered by any physical happening.
无法被物质世界的任何变故所毁灭。 A great strength...
强大的力量， which cannot be weakened by any passing events.
无法被逝去的任何事情所削弱。 And a great love,
伟大的爱， which is permanent,
永恒， imperishable...
不朽， and unconquerable.
不可战胜。 By the time he reached Madras...
到达马德拉斯时， his face was quiet and radiant.
他神情平静，容光焕发。 The Jubilee Convention of 1925...
1925年的庆典大会， celebrated 50 years in the life of the Theosophical Society.
庆祝通神学会走过五十年的历程。 Thousands attended the four-day gatherings...
几千人参加了为期四天的聚会， and the events were eagerly reported...
全世界的报纸…… by newspapers around the world.
热情报道了会议的各项活动。 A Star Congress followed the convention.
庆典大会之后就是世界明星大会。 By this time the Order of the Star had grown to over 45,000 members.
此时，世界明星社的会员已经超过45000人。 Under the branches of Adyar’s enormous banyan tree...
在阿迪亚尔巨大的菩提树下， Krishnamurti spoke of the world teacher.
克里希那穆提谈到了世界导师。 His face was powerful and stern at the twilight,
在黄昏的暮光中，他的表情严峻而充满力量， his eyes half veiled, as if looking inward.
双眼半闭着，仿佛在向内看。 As he spoke, a deep silence spread through the audience.
他讲话时，一种深深的寂静扩散到每个听众。 Some thought they saw a light envelope him.
有些人认为他们看到了笼罩在他身上的光芒。 And many believed that they were in the presence...
很多人相信在他们面前的这个人…… of the Messiah himself.
就是弥赛亚本人。 The young man was becoming the focus of deep divisions.
这个年轻人逐渐成为巨大分歧的焦点。 While thousands accepted him as the World Teacher...
一方面成千上万的人把他奉为世界导师， others were disturbed by the adoration and attention given him.
而另一部分人却觉得大家给了他过分的崇拜与关注。 In the Netherlands, some years earlier,
几年前，荷兰的…… the Baron Phillip van Pallandt had given his ancestral home,
菲利普·范帕伦男爵把他家祖传的房子—— the Castle Eerde, to the Order of the Star.
欧德城堡赠送给了世界明星社。 5.000 wooded acres surrounded the 18th century buildings.
五千英亩的森林环绕着这个18世纪的建筑。 The castle had been transformed...
这座城堡变成了…… into a meeting place where small groups gathered yearly.
一小群人每年一次的聚会场所。 The change that was taking place in Krishnamurti...
克里希那穆提身上发生的变化， was to intensify the following week...
将会在接下来一周的明星社1926年欧门扎营大会上…… at the Ommen Star camp of 1926.
变得更加厉害。 Close to the Castle Eerde,
在欧德城堡附近， the Ommen Camp attracted over 2,000 people of every nationality.
欧门营地吸引了全世界2000多人。 There were huge tents for meetings and for meals.
有用于开会和就餐的巨大帐篷。 Lectures were given.
有一系列的演讲。 And every evening...
每天晚上， Krishnamurti lit a bonfire and spoke to the gathering.
克里希那穆提点燃篝火，对与会者讲话。 In order to be happy, need we have religions?
为了幸福，我们需要宗教吗？ In order to love,
为了爱， need we build temples?
我们需要建立庙宇吗？ Truth cannot be found in the dark sanctuary of temples...
在寺庙黑暗的殿堂里找不到真理， nor in the well-lit halls of organized societies.
在社团组织灯火通明的会堂里也找不到真理。 Neither can it be found in books nor in ceremonies.
书中找不到，各种仪式中也找不到。 Go down to the sea where the breezes are blowing...
到海边去，那里轻风正在吹动， and the waves are breaking over each other.
海浪阵阵翻涌。 You want to gather and bind all that beauty
你想把那些美全部收集起来，然后… into a narrow temple?
封存在狭隘的寺庙里吗？ Do not allow your mind or your heart...
不要让你的头脑、你的心灵…… to be bound by anything...
被任何事…… or anyone.
任何人所束缚。 If you do...
如果你被束缚了， you will establish another religion,
你会建立另一派宗教， another temple.
另一座庙宇。 You must not create little gods...
你不可以制造小小的神灵， and worship at little shrines.
在小小的庙宇里敬拜。 Who wants to worship by the light of one candle,
如果能拥有太阳，谁还会拜倒在…… when you can have the sun?
一支蜡烛的光芒下？ It was increasingly difficult to reconcile...
克里希那穆提对真理的洞察…… Krishnamurti’s vision of truth...
跟通身学会甚至一切组织化宗教…… with the forms and structures not only of Theosophy,
之间的形式和结构的矛盾…… but all organized religions.
越来越难以调和了。 His rejection of spiritual authority was a threat...
他对精神权威的拒绝，对学会…… to the Society and its life long members.
及其终身成员都是一个威胁。 There was open hostility, as the organization...
组织看起来正人心离散， seemed to be pulling apart.
此时公开的敌对出现了。 Lines were drawn, as some stood firmly with him,
一部分人坚定地和他站在一起，另一部分人…… while others clung to their cherished beliefs.
则紧抓珍爱的信仰，分歧已摆在眼前。 Lady Emily Lutyens,
埃米莉·勒琴斯夫人， who had been close to Krishnamurti since 1911,
这个自从1911年起就与克里希那穆提关系密切的人， shared the bewilderment that many felt.
说出了很多人的困惑。 “How strange it seems,” she said,
“看起来多么奇怪啊，”她说， “that for 17 years we have expected a World Teacher...
“我们盼世界导师盼了十七年， and now when he speaks we are hurt or angry.
可现在只要他一讲话，我们就感到愤怒或受伤。 He is making us do our own work...
他让我们去做自己的事， and that is the last thing we expected of him.”
这是我们最不期望他做的事情。” In May of 1928, the First Ojai Star Camp was held...
1928年5月，在加利福尼亚四季常青的橡树林下， under the evergreen oak trees of Southern California.
明星社第一届欧亥露营大会召开。 But with each new talk, each meeting,
然而，每一次讲话，每一次会议， the divisions became more apparent.
都使得分歧越来越明显。 In failing health, Annie Besant...
因为健康状况下降，安妮·贝赞特…… was forced to cancel her public engagements.
不得不取消她的公开讲座。 Yet she still tried desperately to reconcile theosophy...
即便如此，她还是竭力调和通神学…… with what Krishnamurti was saying.
和克里希那穆提的言论。 She quoted ancient Hindu scriptures saying...
她引用古老的印度教经文，经文说， all paths lead to the same spiritual goal.
所有的道路都通向同一个灵性目标。 But in spite of her efforts the divisions widened.
尽管她在努力，分歧还是加深了。 There were no gentle platitudes.
没有温和的陈词滥调。 There was to be no uniting of existing religions.
现存的各种宗教之间不会有和谐统一。 Ceremonies and organized religions, he said, were a hindrance,
仪式与组织化的宗教，他说，是一个障碍， a distraction from the truth.
是对真理的偏离。 He offered no method.
他不提供任何方法。 There were no steps to follow...
没有可遵循的步骤， no system that ensured spiritual progress.
没有确保精神进化的系统。 His vision of truth was absolute.
他对真理的洞察是绝对的。 In the Netherlands, on August 3rd, 1929,
1929年8月3号，荷兰， at the Ommen Gathering,
在欧门聚会上， in the presence of Mrs. Besant and over 3,000 Star members,
当着贝赞特夫人和三千多名会员的面， Krishnamurti dissolved the Order of The Star,
克里希那穆提解散了明星社， freeing himself from all claims made for him.
把自己从一切强加的要求中解脱了出来。 I maintain that truth...
我坚决主张，真理…… is a pathless land.
是无路之国。 and you cannot approach it by any path...
没有任何一条路可以通向它， whatsoever,
不管什么， by any religion,
不管什么宗教。 by any sect.
不管什么门派。 That is my point of view.
这就是我的观点。 And I adhere to that absolutely...
我绝对无条件地…… and unconditionally.
坚持这一点。 Truth,
真理， being limitless,
是无限的， unconditioned,
是绝对的， is unapproachable by any path whatsoever.
任何一条路都无法到达。 It cannot be organized.
它无法被组织。 Nor should any organization be formed...
也不应该成立任何组织…… to lead or coerce people along any particular path.
去引导或强迫人们遵循任何特定的道路。 If an organization be created for this purpose...
如果为了这个目标去创建一个组织， it becomes a crutch,
这个组织就成了一根拐杖， a weakness, a bondage...
一个缺陷，一种羁绊， and must cripple the individual...
必定致人残废， and prevent him from the discovery...
必定阻碍他发现…… of that absolute unconditioned truth.
那个纯粹而绝对的真理。 You can form other organizations and expect someone else.
你们可以成立其它组织来吸引其他人。 With that I am not concerned.
我不关心这个。 My only concern...
我只关心…… is to set man...
怎样使人们…… absolutely...
得到彻底、 and unconditionally...
绝对的…… free.
自由。 All religions...
各宗各派…… have always said there is only our path,
都一直在说，只有我们的道路， our saviour,
我们的救主， our system,
我们的体系， our belief,
我们的信仰， our rituals,
我们的仪式， and only through those you will find salvation.
只有靠这些，你才能得到拯救。 This has been the constant...
一直以来，各宗各派…… song...
都…… of all religions.
这么在唱。 And I happen to have said...
很多很多年以前， many, many years ago, which is...
我恰好讲过， which is so,
是这样的， which has so,
是这么说的， true,
没错， that there is no path to truth.
我说没有路通向真理。 Truth according to them is a fixed point.
根据他们的说法，真理是固定的一点。 And if it is a fixed point you can have a path...
如果它是固定的一点，你就能找到一条路， as many paths as you like.
要多少有多少。 But if it is not a fixed point, it’s a living thing, moving,
但如果它不是固定的一点，如果它是鲜活的，变动的， -movement in the sense, in the world...
——在感官中变动，在与时间无关…… of no time, which is a different matter”
naturally there is no path to it.
当然没有路通向它。 But you see,
不过你瞧， we don’t want such a dangerous...
我们不想要这样危险的…… outlook.
前景。 We want everything fixed.
我们想确定每件事。 We want every object to be final.
我们想达到每个目标。 I would like to go into the question...
一个人应该…… of what does it mean,
实现…… that a human being,
内心…… should bring about...
深刻而巨大的改变， a deep, profound change in himself.
我想探究一下这句话的寓意。 We are asking, is it possible...
我们要问的是，有可能…… to bring about...
实现…… a fundamental, psychological revolution?
根本的精神革命吗？ A deep, abiding,
一种深刻的、持久的、 irrevocable change,
决定性的变化， transformation.
脱胎换骨。 One has lived as a limited,
我们活得…… contained,
局限、 narrow,
压抑、 individual.
狭隘。 And it is very, very difficult...
你就是…… to see the truth...
全体人类， that you are the rest of mankind.
要明白这个真理非常非常困难。 That in you...
在你身上， is the whole of man.
有全体人类。 That is,
这就是说， you as a human being...
你作为一个人类， are part of the world.
是这个世界的一部分。 You are the world.
你就是世界。 Not an idea,
这不是一个观念， not something that intellectually,
不是理性…… has been put together by reason, and says "yes, quite right".
聪明拼凑出的东西，然后说“没错，完全正确。” But the reality of the truth of it,
这句话蕴含的事实真相是， that you represent, as a human being, the rest of humanity.
你，作为一个人，代表着全体人类。 You suffer.
你痛苦。 You are anxious.
你焦虑 。 You are uncertain, confused,
你不安、困惑、 miserable,
悲惨、 fearful,
恐惧、 hurt, everything.
受伤、等等。 And every human being has this.
每个人都有这些感受。 So your consciousness...
因此，你的意识， is the consciousness of mankind.
就是人类的意识。 Now, it is possible...
现在，可以…… for sorrow to end.
结束痛苦了。 If there is the ending of sorrow in one human being...
如果有一个人结束了痛苦， who is the representative of all humanity,
他是人类的代表， that ending affects the whole of consciousness of man.
他的结束就会影响到全体人类的意识。 Don’t accept what we are talking about.
不要接受我们讨论的东西。 Find out. Test it.
去发现。去试验。 That means you have to be free to observe.
这表示你必须自由观察。 To observe without any wish,
抛开任何希求、 any longing, any pressure -you know.
任何渴望、任何压力，自由地观察——你知道 To observe as you observe a lovely flower.
就象你观察一朵可爱的花那样。 I wonder why...
我不知道为什么…… human beings throughout the world don’t see this simple fact,
全世界人都不明白这个简单的事实， that you cannot possibly have peace on earth...
不明白如果人与人之间以国籍的不同来区分， if you are nationalistically divided.
就不可能在地球上拥有和平。 We want order outside,
我们需要外在的秩序， in the world.
世界的秩序。 Politically, religiously,
政治上，宗教上， economically, socially.
经济上，社会上的种种秩序。 In our relationship with each other, we want order.
在人际关系中，我们需要秩序。 We want some peace.
我们需要一些和平。 We want some understanding.
我们需要一些理解。 And...
那么， if the inward psychological state is orderly,
如果你的内在精神状态是有序的， not conflicting,
不冲突， not contradicting,
不矛盾， if that state in consciousness is quiet,
如果你的意识状态是平静、 steady,
稳定、 clear...
清晰的， then you can bring about order in the world.
那么你就能为这个世界带来秩序。 Now what we are trying to do...
我们目前正在做的， is try to bring order...
是试图通过法律、 legislatively,
国家…… nationally,
等等手段…… and so on.
实现秩序。 Order out there...
外部世界的…… in the world.
秩序， Which has been proved over and over again...
已经一次又一次被证明…… that it totally brings about disorder.
只会带来混乱。 That is why we are saying,
这就是为什么我们说， the speaker -I am saying,
为什么这个演讲者——我说， that...
如果…… without inward order,
没有内在的秩序， that is, inward...
就是说，内在…… order in consciousness,
意识的秩序， which is in a mess,
它现在一团混乱， which is in a contradiction,
矛盾重重， without bringing about order inwardly, psychologically,
如果不能实现内在的、精神上的秩序， you cannot possibly have order outwardly.
你就不可能拥有外在的秩序。 And the crisis is there.
危机就在这里。 We think the crisis is,
我们认为危机是…… national,
国家层面的， economic, social, and so on.
经济层面的，社会层面的，等等。 The crisis is not out there.
但危机不在外面， The crisis is really inward.
危机真的就在我们内心。 And we are unwilling to face that.
我们却不愿承认。 It is our...
我们能够给予…… education, way of living, and tradition and so on,
他人的东西，就是我们的教育、 that something can be given to somebody else.
生活方式以及传统等等。 Jesus can give you salvation.
耶稣可以拯救你， Or a guru can save you.
上师可以救你， Or your wife can help you.
妻子可以帮你， That may be an old...
能帮你的也可能是…… worn out tradition to which we are clinging.
我们坚守的古老陈旧的传统。 It may be a wrong approach all together.
但这些方法可能都是错的。 You have understanding...
你已有所领悟， and I haven’t got it.
而我没有。 And you are conditioned...
你被制约了…… “excuse me,”
You are conditioned...
你被你能教给我的…… in the idea that you can give it to me.
那个观念制约了。 Right?
对吗？ That may not be the fact at all.
那个观念可能根本不是事实。 Psychologically, inwardly, do you depend on somebody?
在内在精神领域，你是否依赖某个人？ You say, please help me to be free of my arrogance.
你说，请帮我从傲慢中解脱。 Or in your relationship...
还是你在跟人相处的过程中， you see the arrogance in you.
看到了内心的傲慢。 It’s gone.
它就消失了。 In our relationship with each other,
我们彼此相处时， and I am observing myself.
我在观察自己。 And in that observation I discover that I am arrogant...
观察的过程中，我发现了自己在我们交往相处时…… in our relationship.
流露的傲慢。 So I am not dependent for you to point out to me my arrogance.
因此，我不依赖你来为我指出傲慢。 I am already aware of it.
我已经觉察到了。 This is tremendously important sir.
这一点极为重要，先生。 Nobody can give me intensity,
没人能给予我美的强度…… the sense of beauty.
和感觉。 I’m taking [that].
我自己来。 Then...
于是…… I am on my own, you follow?
我靠自己，明白吗？ Not isolated and all that.
这不是孤立或者类似的东西。 Then I have to work to find out.
于是，为了找到答案我必须有所行动。 Then in the very working of it I have got the intensity.
然后，正是从行动中，我获得了那个强度。 When I discard the tradition,
如果我抛弃传统， in which I have been brought up...
那个我成长于其中的传统， that is to depend on somebody...
那个依赖他人的传统， and when I discarded it, I have to work at it,
当我抛弃了它，我必须自己行动， or I go down the drain, either way.
否则就前功尽弃了，两条路任选其一。 If I’m...
如果我是…… If I discard that,
如果我抛弃它， I have already got the sense of...
我就已经有了…… energy, intensity.
能量，强度。 Then I am not dependent on anybody.
然后我就不依赖任何人了。 Can I observe myself...
我能否在人际关系中…… through relationship?
观察自己？ Can I know myself...
我能认识自己吗？ fundamentally, basically,
能从根本上、基础上， all the reactions, all the...
从我在人际关系中的所有反应上， the nuances, the subtleties...
从细节处、微妙处…… of myself,
认识…… in relationship?
自己吗？ Now, one’s relationship with another...
现在，我们与另一个人的关系…… is based on memory.
建立在记忆之上。 Right?
对吗？ Would you accept it?
承认这一点吗？ On the various images, pictures, conclusions I have drawn...
建立在我对你以及你对我勾勒的…… about you and you have drawn about me.
各种各样的意象、形象和结论之上。 The various images that I have about you,
我对你、对妻子、丈夫女儿、儿子或朋友等等…… wife, husband, girl or boy or friend and so on.
都抱有各种意象。 So there is always image making.
所以我们总是在制造意象。 Right?
对吗？ This is simple, this is normal, this actually goes on.
这件事简单、平常，每天都在发生。 When one is married, or lives with a girl or a boy...
如果我们结婚了，或是跟女友或男友生活在一起， every incident, every word, every action creates an image.
每件事、每句话、每个行为都在制造意象。 No?
没有吗？ Are we clear on this point?
我们清楚这一点了吗？ Don’t agree with me please.
请不要同意我。 I am not trying to persuade you to anything.
我不想说服你什么。 But actually you can see it for yourself.
但实际上你自己可以看清楚它。 A word is registered.
片言只字都会被记在脑海。 If it is pleasant you purr. It is nice.
如果那个词令人愉快，你就咕哝着说，很好。 If it is unpleasant, you'll immediately shrink from it.
如果那个词令人不快，你会立即退缩。 And that creates an image.
那就制造了一个意象。 The pleasure creates an image.
愉快制造意象。 The shrinking, the withdrawal creates an image.
退缩、撤退也制造意象。 So, our actual relationship with each other...
因此，我们实际生活中的人际关系…… is based on the...
建立在…… on various subtle forms...
各种微妙的…… of pictures, images and conclusions.
形象、意象和结论之上。 So when there is an image like that,
因此，如果出现了一个那样的意象， she has and you have,
她对你的意象，你对她的意象， then in that there is division.
那么，其中就有分歧了。 And then the whole conflict begins.
然后，整个冲突就开始了。 Right?
对吗？ Where there is division between two images,
当两个意象之间有分歧， there must be conflict, right?
就必然有冲突，对吗？ The Jew, the Arab, the Hindu, the Muslim,
犹太人、阿拉伯人、印度人、穆斯林、 the Christian, the Communist,
基督徒、共产主义者， it is the same phenomenon.
这样的分别也是同样的情形。 It is a basic law,
这是一个基本的规律， where there is division between people there must be conflict.
哪里有人与人之间的分别，哪里就必然有冲突。 Can all this image making,
这些制造意象的行为、 tradition...
传统、 all that end,
诸如此类的一切，可以…… without a single conflict.
毫无冲突地结束吗？ You understand my question?
明白我的问题吗？ Are you interested in this?
对这个感兴趣吗？ What will you pay for it?
你会为此付出多少？ That's all you can do.
这就是你能做的一切。 By paying something you think you will get it.
你认为付出点什么就能有所收获。 Now how can this...
那么，这个…… mechanism of...
制造意象…… image making...
的机制…… -not just image making, the desire for certainty, the tradition,
——不只是制造意象，还包括对确定的渴望，传统， the whole structure of that 東 can that end?
可以结束吗？ Right?
可以吗？ Are you asking that question?
你在问这个问题吗？ Who is there to tell you what to do?
谁在告诉你该怎么办？ See this,
瞧， when you are children, the parents tell you what to do.
你是孩子时，父母教你怎么做。 That same mentality is cultivated right through life.
你一辈子都被这样教导。 In school you are told what to do,
读中小学时，有人教你怎么做， in college you are told what to do,
到了学院、大学里也有人教你…… in university.
怎么做。 Right through life...
你的一生…… somebody tells you...
都有人在指指点点， this is right, this is wrong, this should be done,
这是对的，这是错的，应该做这个， that should not be done.
不该做那个。 Which means what?
这表示什么？ There is no...
这表示没有…… self-investigation.
自我探究。 There is no saying I am really the rest of mankind.
没有人说我确实就是全体人类。 Which you are!
实际上你就是！ Because every human being right through the world,
因为全世界每个人， goes through a great deal of suffering,
都经历了许多磨难， a great deal of pain, a great deal of anxiety,
许多痛苦，许多焦虑， uncertain, confused,
不确定，感到困惑， insecure,
感到不安， like you, like the rest of the world.
你就是这样，全世界其他人也是这样。 We don’t accept that.
我们不肯承认。 We think,
我们认为， my suffering is totally separate from other people’s suffering.
我的痛苦跟别人的痛苦是完全不同的。 And so...
因此…… we have this mentality...
我们会有这个想法， that...
就是…… I must have somebody to tell me what to do.
必须有人告诉我该怎么做。 Right from the Pope, down to the poor Parish Priest.
上至教皇、下至贫穷的教区牧师。 Really one should ask a question, “why human beings...
真的每个人都该问一个问题，“为什么人类…… -though they have extraordinary knowledge-
——虽然他们拥有了不起的知识—— and yet nobody is willing to change. Why?
却没有人愿意改变？为什么？” Is it that they find security in...
是因为他们在习惯中…… in the habit, in the pattern?
在模式中寻找安全吗？ Your pattern, my pattern,
你的模式，我的模式， the Christian pattern, the Hindu pattern, the Buddhist.
基督教模式，印度教模式，佛教模式。 They are all patterns, a way of thinking.
这些都是模式，一种思维模式。 So,
因此， patterns may be dangerous altogether,
可能所有的模式都是危险的， because they divide people.
因为它们划分人类。 And religions have divided people.
宗教把人划分成不同的类别。 Their rituals,
他们的仪式， their beliefs, their faith, their saviors.
他们的信仰，他们的信念，他们的救世主。 Now, to break away from all that...
那么，要从这一切中解脱出来， requires intelligence,
需要智慧， requires investigation, study.
需要探究、学习。 Nobody is willing to do that.
没人愿意那么做。 From childhood...
从小…… we are taught comparison.
我们就学会了比较。 We say "you must be as clever as your brother".
我们说“你必须像哥哥那样聪明。” Or in school you better get better marks than somebody else.
在学校，你最好考得比别人好。 So you are always being compared.
所以你一直在被比来比去。 And you learn to compare.
同时你也学会了比较。 Don’t you?
不是吗？ I say, don’t compare...
我说，不要比较， yourself with anybody.
不要拿你自己跟任何人比。 Right?
对吧？ You heard that?
你们听到了， Right?
对吧？ Now,
那么， why do you compare?
你为什么比较？ To find out who is better.
去打听谁更好。 To find out if you are better.
去查探你是否更好。 That is, you compare yourself with her.
就是说，你拿自己跟她比。 She is much more intelligent,
她更有智慧、 more bright, more clever,
更伶俐、更聪明， and so in comparing yourself with her...
你拿自己跟她一比， you become dull.
你就显得迟钝了。 But if you don’t compare, are you dull?
但如果不比，你迟钝吗？ No. It just...
你不迟钝。只是…… Just listen, listen, listen carefully.
听好，听好，仔细听就好。 In examinations in schools, all through life they are comparing.
在学校的考试中，他们一辈子都在比。 Tell your teacher, don’t compare.
去告诉你老师，不要比。 The relationship between the teacher and you...
你和老师之间， she knows more than you do, right?
她比你知道得多，对吗？ Academically.
学问上。 Academically!
学问上！ By Jove!
天啊！ Academically you know more than he does.
学问上你比他知道得多。 Now, she is teaching you about biology...
现在，她在教你生物学， and...
而且…… she is giving you marks,
她在给你打分， right,
对吧， and gradually helping you to pass that examination.
然后慢慢帮你通过考试。 Now, can she teach you without the idea of examination?
那么，如果没有考试，她还能教你吗？ How do you test yourself, sir?
你怎么测验自己，先生？ -In what- Without examination.
——在什么当中测验——没有考试的话？ How do you test yourself, without examination?
没有考试，你怎么测验自己？ You mean to say that an examination is going to tell you...
你的意思是说考试可以让你知道…… how you have learned?
你学得怎么样？ -Maybe, sir-Listen, you are too quick.
——或许，先生——注意，你太快了。 Find out.
去搞清楚。 You are all so used to examinations.
你们都太习惯考试了。 That is your tradition.
那是你们的传统。 That is your habit.
你们的习惯。 And when you question that, you say...
如果你质疑它，你就说…… yes, what shall I do? you get nervous,
“好，那我该怎么办？”你就紧张起来， frightened.
感到害怕。 When I was learning, when I was at school in England,
我读书时，在英国上学时， I never passed one examination.
我从来没有通过一门考试。 Right?
对吧？ I went through all the examinations but I couldn’t...
我参加了所有的考试，但我没法通过。 I sat in the hall without writing a thing.
我坐在考场里，什么也写不出来。 Are you interested in all this?
你对这一切感兴趣吗？ What do you consider is life?
你认为生活是什么？ Your life, what is your life?
你的生活，什么是你的生活？ What is that life that you daily live?
什么是你每天在过的那个生活？ Dependence, attachment, pain,
依赖、眷恋、痛苦、 annoyance, anger, irritation, sorrow.
烦恼、生气、愤怒、悲伤。 You know all this don’t you? This is your daily life.
你知道这一切，不是吗？这就是你的日常生活。 Going to the temple...
去庙里祈祷， and doing some kind of noise with the bell,
敲出某种钟声， and doing puja,
做礼拜， doing yoga.
做瑜伽。 That we say, that is our life.
我们说，那就是我们的生活。 Then what do you mean by a religious life?
那么，你所谓的宗教生活是什么？ You tell me.
告诉我。 What does religion mean to you?
对你来说，宗教是什么意思？ The word.
这个词。 The word religion...
宗教这个词…… means: to gather all your energy.
意思是：集中你所有的能量。 That's all it means.
这就是它全部的含义。 Do you understand sir?
明白吗，先生？ To gather all your energy...
集中你所有的能量…… to enquire, to find.
去探究、去发现。 Right?
对吗？ Not all the nonsense of temples, rituals, and...
而不是指庙宇、仪式这类毫无意义的东西。 all this either, sir, what you put on your head.
也不是指你加在头脑上的那些东西，先生。 You see how you all agree?
你瞧你们全都同意。 The meaning of the word,
这个词的意思是， that means gathering...
它意味着集中…… every...
你拥有的…… particle of energy that you have,
每一丝能量…… to enquire into...
去探究…… what is truth and what is reality.
什么是真理，什么是现实。 To enquire into what is meditation.
去探究什么是冥想。 To enquire into why human beings live the way we are living.
去探究人类为什么像我们这样生活。 To enquire if there is an end to sorrow.
去探究痛苦是否可以结束。 To enquire into what is love.
去探究什么是爱。 Whether one can live without any effort...
人是否可以毫不费力…… and control.
毫不压抑地生活。 All that is implied in that word.
所有这些都包含在那个词里了。 A religious life...
宗教生活…… implies...
意味着…… being a light to yourself.
做你自己的明灯。 Which means...
那表示…… no outside authority.
没有外在的权威。 We are talking about...
我们在谈的是…… having no spiritual authority.
不要有任何精神权威。 Including me, the speaker.
包括我，这个在演讲的人。 Have you any authority,
你是否有任何权威， spiritual authority?
精神权威？ You have had various gurus, Mahatma Gandhi, Mr. Gandhi,
你们已经有各种导师，比如圣雄甘地，甘地先生， and so on, all the way from the 6th,
等等，从6世纪、 5th, 4th, 3rd century...
5世纪、4世纪、3世纪…… down to the present.
一直到现在。 And where are you, having been led,
你们被引导了几千年， for these thousands years?
现在又怎么样了呢？ Where are you?
怎么样了？ Or you want to be still led?
还是你依然想被引导？ So I am asking,
所以我要问， we are asking you...
我们要礼貌地…… courteously,
问你， if you have thrown away your traditions?
你是否已经抛弃了传统？ Traditions being nationality,
传统就是你的国家、 your caste,
你的阶级地位、 your beliefs,
你的信仰、 your...
你的…… rituals,
仪式， going to the temples.
去庙里祈祷。 All that.
所有这些。 Have you thrown it away?
你已经抛弃了吗？ No?
没有？ No.
没有。 Then how can you find out what a religious life is...
如果你是盲目的，又怎么能搞清楚…… when you are blind?
宗教生活的真实含义？ So you want to find out what a religious life is...
所以，你想要搞清楚什么是宗教生活， and yet won’t leave your little enclosure.
却又不离开你的小圈子。 Right?
对吧？ You are tied to your tradition.
你被你的传统束缚了。 And you want to enquire into something, that demands...
你想要探究某些问题，这需要…… a mind that is capable,
有能力的头脑， a heart that can really love.
需要真正能够爱的心灵。 Without that,
不具有这些， freeing yourself from...
不把你自己从…… your tradition, your culture, your belief,
你的传统、你的文化、你的信仰中解脱出来， how can you find out anything?
你怎么可能搞清楚任何问题？ You can repeat what The Gita said...
你可以背诵《博伽梵歌》， or the Upanishads or some other book.
背诵《奥义书》或其它书籍。 What value has it?
那有什么用？ I was told the other day
some of the gurus now give lectures...
有些导师正在讲授…… or talks on the Gita.
或谈论《博伽梵歌》。 Is that right?
有这回事吗？ And there are hundreds and thousands who go and listen to it.
有成千上万人跑去听讲。 What value has it?
那有什么用？ What are we all playing at sirs?
先生们，我们都在假装什么？ Apparently one doesn’t see one’s own tragedy.
很明显，我们不明白自己的悲惨。 Right, sir?
对吗，先生？ Psychologically, why should I accept what somebody else says...
在精神领域，如果认识到我就是全体人类， when I realize...
我为什么…… that I am the rest of mankind?
还要接受其他人说的那一套？ Mankind is me.
人类就是我。 The “me’ is the history of mankind, the book of mankind.
这个“我”就是人类的历史，就是人类之书。 If I know how to read it...
如果我知道怎样阅读它， I don’t depend on anybody.
我就不会依赖任何人。 So, can I,
那么，我可以…… without distortion,
没有扭曲、 without prejudice,
没有偏见、 without choice,
没有选择地…… be aware of the content of this book,
觉察这本书的内容吗？ which is me?
这本书就是我。 To read it very carefully,
要读得非常仔细， never...
永不…… distorting it,
扭曲它， requires a great deal of attention,
需要很多关注， a great deal of energy,
很多能量， intensity,
需要强度， immediacy.
需要速度。 And we are not willing to do all that because...
我们不愿这么做，因为…… we think that is too tiresome.
我们觉得那太麻烦了。 “Tell me quickly what to do and I will do it.”
Or I may not do it.
否则我可能就不干了。 Generally, I may not do it.
通常，我可能就不干了。 And I personally think that...
我个人认为， this psychological guidance by another,
别人给你的这种精神指导， whether it is the religious guidance,
不管是宗教领域的指导， or the guidance of the psychologist,
还是心理学家的指导， is totally wrong.
全都是错的。 Because then you are making humanity into children,
因为这是在把人类当小孩看待， who have to be guided, told, encouraged.
需要被指导、被告知、被鼓励的小孩。 We are all grown up human beings after...
我们都是经历了五百万年或一千万年演化的…… 5 or 10 million years.
成年人。 Through negation...
通过否定…… of what is not,
不是的， the positive exists.
是的就在了。 That is,
就是说， love is not desire.
爱不是欲望。 Love is not pleasure.
爱不是享乐。 Love is not a remembrance.
爱不是回忆。 It is as strong as death,
爱如死亡一样强大， as vital as life.
如生命一样重要。 And you see,
你瞧， love can only exist when there is no suffering.
只有痛苦消失了，爱才能存在。 Suffering is personal.
痛苦是个人的。 Suffering is also global.
痛苦也是全世界的。 Man has suffered endlessly.
人类经历了无尽的苦难。 And he tries to combine that suffering...
他试图把那个痛苦…… with what he calls love.
和他所谓的爱结合起来。 And so there is always this contradiction,
因此总是存在这个矛盾， this duality.
这个双重性。 Whereas if you deny all that...
然而，如果你否定那一切， that which is not love,
否定那些不是爱的东西， then the other thing has its immense beauty,
那么剩下的东西就具有了巨大的美， great strength, and vitality of its own.
强大的力量以及它自身的活力。 Then why do you have to learn mathematics...?
那为什么你必须学习数学？ Because part of Mathematics...
因为数学的一部分…… is order.
就是秩序。 2 + 2 + 2 make 6.
2 + 2 +2 等于6. That's order.
这就是秩序。 Right?
对吗？ In sequence, it must be.
它必须有序。 So mathematics, much more complicated and all that,
因此，数学、更复杂的东西以及类似的一切， is a series of...
都是一系列的…… sequences and order.
次序与秩序。 Right?
对吗？ Are we...
我们…… aware of our responsibility to another?
意识到自己对于他人的责任了吗？ If one has a family,
如果你有家室， wife, children,
有妻有子， are you responsible for those children?
你对孩子们负责吗？ That you care.
那些你在乎的人。 That you have love for them.
那些你爱的人。 Are you concerned...
你关心…… that they become...
他们成为…… healthy good citizens?
健全的好公民吗？ If you have children, do you feel responsible for those children?
如果你有孩子，你感到自己对他们负有责任吗？ To see that they have right education...
确保他们得到正确的教育， so that they won’t be killed in a war?
好让他们不会死于战争？ They won’t become...
好让他们不会变得…… mediocre.
平庸。 Or you have no time at all for them.
还是你根本没时间留给他们。 Because you have to go out and earn money,
因为作为男人，你必须出去挣钱。 as the man, and the mother and the father,
父亲母亲， as they do now, and have very little time for the children.
他们现在就是这样，很少有时间花在孩子身上。 That is a fact.
这是事实。 So where is your responsibility?
那么你的责任在哪里？ Oh, you are not interested in all this.
噢，你们对这些没兴趣。 So one asks,
那我们就问， what are you interested in?
你对什么感兴趣？ I think that is a legitimate question.
我认为这是一个恰当的问题。 You can talk about love, freedom and the beauty of the sky,
你可以谈论爱、自由以及天空的美， but it is only an outside interest.
但这只是外在的兴趣。 But basically...
但从根本上讲呢？ what are we interested in?
我们对什么感兴趣？ Ourselves
我们自己。 That’s right.
没错。 You are interested in yourself.
你对你自己感兴趣。 Right?
对吗？ Wait sir, perfectly right.
等等先生，完全正确。 Each one is interested in himself.
每个人都对他自己感兴趣。 On that...
我们的…… our society, culture, religion is based.
社会、文化、宗教都奠基于此。 Right?
对吗？ Each one...
每个人…… interested...
都对他自己…… in himself.
感兴趣。 His progress,
他的进步， his ex... -all the rest of it.
他的……——诸如此类的一切。 Do you, as a human being, realize...
你，作为一个人类，认识到…… that we are all one...
基本上我们是…… basically?
同一个人了吗？ Not as an idea,
这不是观念， but as a fact.
而是事实。 Because when you go to India...
因为，如果你去印度， you see the misery, the confusion, the anxiety,
你看到当地人的痛苦、困惑、焦虑、 the despair of people...
以及绝望， running to their petty little gods, whom they have created.
他们跑去找自己制造的小小神灵。 You come to Europe, it's exactly the same thing.
你来到欧洲，情况一模一样。 They've got their Jesus, their Christ. You follow?
他们有他们的耶稣，他们的基督。明白吗？ You come here it is exactly the same.
你来到这里，也是同样的情形。 You understand sir?
明白吗，先生？ First to realize,
首先要认识到， not verbally...
不是嘴上说说， but in your heart, in your blood, in your whole thinking,
而是从心底里，从骨子里，完全认识到…… that human beings right through the world,
世界各地的人…… go through the same agonies that one goes through.
经历的是同样的痛苦，如同一人。 The loneliness, the despair, the depressions,
孤独、绝望、压抑、 the extraordinary uncertainty,
极度的不确定感、 insecurity,
不安全感， whether they live...
不管他们生活在…… 10,000 miles away or 2,000 miles or here.
一万英里或两千英里外，还是就在此处。 They are all psychologically bound together.
在精神上，他们都是密不可分的。 If one realizes that...
如果我们认识到这一点， profoundly...
由衷地， in your guts, in your blood, in your heart, in your mind...
从心底里，骨子里，刻骨铭心地认识到这一点， then you are responsible.
那时你才算是负责的。 You have heard all this, you as a human being.
你，作为一个人类，已经听到了这一切。 Why don’t you change?
为什么还不改变？ What prevents you?
什么阻碍了你？ If each one of us asked that question,
如果我们每个人都问这个问题， not...
不是…… verbally,
嘴上说说， or merely intellectually, as an entertainment,
或只是动动脑子，消遣消遣， but asked that question most seriously and deeply,
而是极为认真而深入地问这个问题， what's your answer?
你的回答是什么？ What's your answer to this problem...
你怎么回答这个问题—— that human beings have lived this way...
人类已经这样生活了…… for millennia upon millennia?
无数个世纪， Why haven’t they changed?
为什么他们还没改变？ Why haven’t you, who are listening now,
为什么你，正在听讲的你， why haven’t you changed?
为什么你还没改变？ You know if you don’t change what the consequences are.
你知道，如果你不改变目前的结果， You will be national, nationalistic.
你将属于某个民族，变成民族主义者。 You will be tribal, insular,
你将属于某个种族，与世隔绝， isolated and therefore...
孑然孤立并因此…… having no relationship globally.
与全世界都没有关系。 Fighting, fighting, fighting.
争斗、争斗、争斗。 Building up more and more armaments to destroy each other.
制造出越来越多的武器毁灭彼此。 Now...
那么…… why don’t you, if you are at all serious in this matter,
如果你对这件事是绝对认真的，你为什么不， why don’t you ask yourself that question?
你为什么不问自己这个问题？ Why am I,
为什么我， a human being...
一个人类， who has been through all this,
历经了沧桑， why haven’t I changed?
却还未改变？ What would be your answer?
你的答案会是什么？ After all,
毕竟， life is one.
生命是一个整体。 One global unitary movement.
是一个整体合一的运动。 So in the same way...
所以，同样的， our consciousness is common to all mankind.
我们与全体人类具有共同的意识。 Now, if I radically change,
如果我彻底改变， surely it affects the rest of the consciousness of man.
就必定会影响到其他人的意识。 Now, why don’t you change?
你为什么不改变？ | 
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