K: Mr Narayan. I have known him for a number of years and I have talked to him and he has talked to me, he has told me his problems, and I have understood. I have talked to him, I have communicated with him.
克：那拉扬先生，我认识他好几年了，我跟他谈过话，他跟我谈过话，他告诉了我他的问题，这些我都明白了。我跟他谈过，交流过。
S: Then you can't really describe a person as he is.
学生：而你不能真正地如实描述一个人。
K: No, I can't. Therefore I am not prejudiced.
克：是的，我不能。所以我就没有偏见。
S: Is that all there is to it then?
学生：那么这就是所有的了吗？
K: No. There is much more to it. A human being is a very complex person. Right? Very complex. I have only understood Mr Narayan very, very little, and that little doesn't prejudice me. I say I understand a little. And I really don't know Mr Narayan.
克：不。还有更多。一个人是非常复杂的。对不对？非常复杂。我只对那拉扬先生了解了很少很少的一点点，那一点点并没有使我有偏见。我说我了解了一点。而我并没有真正地了解那拉扬先生。
S: So you can't say anything about him unless you know him.
学生：所以除非你真的了解他，关于他你什么也不能说。
K: That's all, that's all. So I have no prejudice. I can't say, I know Mr Narayan. That would be stupid on my part if I say, 'I know Mr Narayan'. Right? I only know a little bit, that which he has told me, which he has conveyed to me, and so on. Very little.
克：就是这样，就是这样。所以我没有偏见。我不能说，我了解那拉扬先生。如果我说“我了解那拉扬先生”，那我就很愚蠢。对不对？我只知道一点点，他告诉我的那一点点，他传达给我的那一点点。非常少。
S: Prejudices for him?
K: Against him. Either I like him and therefore I have prejudices in his favour; or I don't like him I have prejudices against him. Right? Now what happens if I have prejudices?
S: You don't understand him.
K: I don't understand him, I don't see what he says clearly. I don't want to understand him. So it is like a dark glass - you understand? If I have a dark glass in the window I can't see the sun clearly, can I?
S: No.
学生：向着他的偏见？
克：反对他的。或者我喜欢他，因而有赞成他的偏见；或者我不喜欢他，我就有反对他的偏见。对不对？那，如果我有偏见，会发生什么？
学生：你就无法了解他。
克：我就无法了解他，我弄不清他说什么。我不想去了解他。（偏见）就像一片黑玻璃-你明白吗？如果我窗户上有块黑玻璃，我就不能清楚地看到太阳，是不是？
学生：是的，看不清。
What is important is not to have prejudices, not to have opinions, so that you can understand, look at people. If you have prejudice you can't love people.
重要的是不要有偏见，不要有看法，这样你才能去了解人们，观察人们。如果你有偏见，你就不能爱别人。
If I have prejudices against you, I won't be able to understand what you are talking about, or what you want to tell me, I cut you off. So to find out what you are, what you are actually telling me, I mustn't have prejudices, I mustn't have opinions, I must be free to listen to you.
如果我对你有偏见，我就不能理解你在说什么，或者你想告诉我什么，我把你隔断了。所以要发现你是怎样的，你实际上在告诉我什么，我就不能有偏见，我就不能有观点，我必须要自由地听你说。
发表于 2009-12-9 12:01
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